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ozanaki tori said:I partially agree, and partially I disagree.
Africans were enslaved for many reasons. Skin colour was not one of them, nor nationality. Just as any sittuation where one nation is superior in weaponary and strategy and "civilised" (though i scoff at the term) and they meet up with primative natives, the european peoples took control. However, not all european nations were white. Furthermore, there is racism among white peoples against other white peoples, and especially back in those days.
Slavery was wrong, but it would have gone away sooner or later (sooner, probably).
There were many problems at stake besides slavery, that have not gone away nor will they ever, now.
ozanaki tori said:Very touchey subject, considering a lot of people have a very, very misunderstanding view of the Civil War and the Confederate flag.
I have a necklace I wear sometimes, but once there was an african-american man at the post office and I could tell it bothered him, so I stopped wearing it for now.
I don't think it should be as much of a southern thing as people are making it. The War was about state rights, not just southern rights.
ozanaki tori said:Well, I'd hardly call spaniards "white."
And the Chinese were enslaved as well. Maybe in a more subtle way, but think about that everytime you hear a train go by your freedom.
If you can rule out a confederate's reasons for fighting by saying the war was about not being a slave for an african-american, then one can easily rule out african-american opinion by saying 'the war was about state rights, so anything else doesn't matter.'
ozanaki tori said:Also, it's really awesome (seriously) to see an african-american admit that Lincoln wasn't as honest as he'd have some believe.
KyleSmith7117 said:I did some many research for fews days now. Here are some history facts:
The USA are also slaved owers in the past since the Revolutionary war. The US flag flew over a slave nation for over 85 years. The North tolerated slavery and acknowledged it as a Division Of Labor. The North made a vast fortune on slavery and it's commodities. It wasn't until the South decided to leave the Union that the North objected. The North knew it could not survive without the Southern money.
The Confederate Battle Flag today finds itself in the center of much controversy and hoopla going on in several states. The cry to take this flag down is unjustified. It is very important to keep in mind that the Confederate Battle Flag was simply just that. A battle flag. It was never even a National flag, so how could it have flown over a slave nation or represented slavery or racism? This myth is continued by lack of education and ignorance. Those that villify the Confederate Battle Flag are very confused about history and have jumped upon a bandwagon with loose wheels.
Thats my updated info and comments...
ozanaki tori said:So..the black confederates were fine?
Also, do your own history lesson on how the Chinese were treated - and with what racism. The only reasons they weren't treated as the African slaves were treated is because that form of slavery was abolished.
The only reason the north did not have "slaves" is because they did not need them. Not because the Federal states were Righteous.
KyleSmith7117 said:The Confederate Battle Flag today finds itself in the center of much controversy and hoopla going on in several states. The cry to take this flag down is unjustified. It is very important to keep in mind that the Confederate Battle Flag was simply just that. A battle flag. It was never even a National flag, so how could it have flown over a slave nation or represented slavery or racism? This myth is continued by lack of education and ignorance.
engiin said:Uh..I think the problem here is that the Confederate Flag represented many things "one of which" was the slavery of the south which they wanted to keep. So, it's true that it did not specifically represent Slavery alone. But, it's just like Hitler and the Nazi Hooked Cross. The Nazi cross represented lots of things that had nothing to do with Jews. But, one of the things the Nazis did was exterminate Jews. So, the Cross became a "reminder" to them, that had the Nazis won, Jews would still be exterminated today. Similarly, had the Confederates won, there would still be black slaves today. That, I think is the point. I don't think anybody lacks education on the flag. I think some people lack understanding how much the symbol affects the lives of those who were "hurt".
ozanaki tori said:It's the Confederate flag. Not the Slave-Driver flag.
The Chinese were slaves, through manipulation rather than being bought and sold. If you deny that, then you deny a culture their history and sympathy they deserve.
Basically, the Civil War was about so many things outside of slavery that are worth fighting for, it is wrong to fault a nation because they owned slaves.
I am extremely saddened by how the confederate flag has been treated by southerners. I am from Alabama, but I detest rednecks and "southern" things that all southerners "must" be. I am disgusted by how the Confederate flag has been *******ised. However, I would rather reclaim the confederate flag as something anti-federal instead of giving it over to the racists without a fight.
In this modern world, it is your state rights that were being protected. The rights of African-Americans would have come around, whether Abe used it as a tactic or not.
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