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I agree. But that was hardly obvious from the post I quoted where you said he should step down mid-term.
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I agree. But that was hardly obvious from the post I quoted where you said he should step down mid-term.Yes, of course.
Biden promised that he would serve one term. After 2 years, he should have confirmed that fact and that he wouldn't stand for re-election.
fair enoughI agree. But that was hardly obvious from the post I quoted where you said he should step down mid-term.
I believe this is wishful thinking. If Biden can sleep his way through his presidency while Vice President Auto-Pen takes the reigns, Trump will do just fine.
Confabulation is sometimes called “honest lying,” because the person doing it genuinely believes what he’s saying, even if it is obviously and patently false. A person confabulates when they are telling completely invented stories that don’t provide them any particular tangible benefit. In other words, it’s not like lying to try and get out of a speeding ticket. Confabulation isn’t misremembering a date or forgetting something. The mistakes of memory we are all subject to become confabulation when people remember false information in vivid detail — detail so vivid and complete that people who don’t know otherwise often believe what they are hearing is true. In older people, confabulation is one of the clearest early signs of dementia. The day you witness someone confabulate is often the day you are forced to admit to yourself that a beloved parent needs help, and that all the little slips and oddities you’ve been seeing can no longer be rationalized away.
It's always been a quandary to deal with President Trump's constant lying as we try to determine whether he knows he's lying or whether he believes the obviously untrue things he says. Is it 25th Amendment time yet?
Like a salesman?Trump was never a morally serious person in the first place. To lie, you actually have to care about the truth. What Trump is, is far more corrosive. I can't even use the word on this forum, but let's just say it's akin to "nonsense artist".
No, I'd rather not have a president noticeably slipping into dementia. How do you explain his confabulations?I believe this is wishful thinking.
Sadly, poor Donald isn't doing fine. For a Wharton School graduate, he has a dim grasp on how numbers and percentages work:If Biden can sleep his way through his presidency while Vice President Auto-Pen takes the reigns, Trump will do just fine.
Confabulation is sometimes called “honest lying,” because the person doing it genuinely believes what he’s saying, even if it is obviously and patently false. A person confabulates when they are telling completely invented stories that don’t provide them any particular tangible benefit. In other words, it’s not like lying to try and get out of a speeding ticket. Confabulation isn’t misremembering a date or forgetting something. The mistakes of memory we are all subject to become confabulation when people remember false information in vivid detail — detail so vivid and complete that people who don’t know otherwise often believe what they are hearing is true. In older people, confabulation is one of the clearest early signs of dementia. The day you witness someone confabulate is often the day you are forced to admit to yourself that a beloved parent needs help, and that all the little slips and oddities you’ve been seeing can no longer be rationalized away.
It's always been a quandary to deal with President Trump's constant lying as we try to determine whether he knows he's lying or whether he believes the obviously untrue things he says. Is it 25th Amendment time yet?
Nah, sorry...that's an unfair ground rule to enforce in this context lol.This particular thread is about Trump's confabulation. Biden is off-topic. Thank you for your future cooperation on this point.
Can you explain why confabulation would be a 25th amendment invoking situation and not, let's say, not being able to remember where he was or who he was speaking to at any given moment to the point where unelected aids, staffers, and Vice President Auto-Pen had to run the country for him?But you did not point to any confabulation on Biden's part. Merely saying, "But Biden!" is off topic. Do you have anything to say about not Biden?
The reference points are in the OP.
This thread is about Trump, not Biden. You had your say, and then some, about Biden. There are a plethora of threads already about Biden and whether or not he was fit for office. This thread is about Trump, confabulation and the 25th Amendment.
From Mr. I Went to Wharton:
Prove they are confabulations and not exaggerations.No, I'd rather not have a president noticeably slipping into dementia. How do you explain his confabulations?
Sadly, poor Donald isn't doing fine. For a Wharton School graduate, he has a dim grasp on how numbers and percentages work:
While I disagree with many of President Trump's policies, he was legitimately elected by the American people and has the constitutional authority to serve as president for the next four years. Unless he commits an impeachable offense, he should remain in office until January 20, 2029. If Democrats or others oppose his actions, they should aim to win back Congress in 2026 and use legislative power to counter his agenda. This reflects how American democracy functions—the 25th Amendment exists for rare and extreme circumstances, which are not present today.
'I agree with you 1,000%'Prove they are confabulations and not exaggerations.
I wouldn't call it polite. Just a liberal desperate attempt to find something to remove Trump from office. But yeah...Trump exaggerates a lot.'I agree with you 1,000%'
That's an exaggeration. We're all familiar with someone saying that.
'You know, we've cut drug prices by 1200, 1300, 1400, 1,500%. I don't mean 50% or 25%. I mean 1400, 1,500%'
That's the risible, rambling, random, stream-of-consciousness gibberish of someone with no common sense or the slightest grasp of maths. And we're all familiar with Trump saying things like that.
Saying it's a confabulation is being polite. I'd take it if I were you.
As I said, it's not possible to stretch the definition of 'exaggeration' to within a few light years of what he actually said. It was plainly and simply idiotic. Utterly nonsensical. But I don't think anyone is going to say 'Trump hasn't got the intelligence and he hasn't got the ability to formulate a simple sentence that my grandkid would have no problem with' and therefore he should be removed from office. But it's just a single example of the type of mind that a guy has who has the nuclear codes has got. It's not an exaggeration to say that that fact is incredibly unsettling.I wouldn't call it polite. Just a liberal desperate attempt to find something to remove Trump from office. But yeah...Trump exaggerates a lot.
Aw, unfair? The only way you can find to discuss the topic of Trump's alleged decline is to resort to, "But Biden!!".Nah, sorry...that's an unfair ground rule to enforce in this context lol.
Are you actually discussing the legal precedent or merely moaning, "But Biden!!"?Precedent is important in legal matters.
Yet. This "yet" is the topic of this particular thread. Is it possible for you stick to this actual topic instead of crying, "But Biden!!"?If people were adamant that Biden (in his 2023/2024 condition) hadn't hit the threshold for invoking that process, than Trump hasn't hit that threshold yet.
Agreed, he doesn't give "tired, confused, old man" vibe, but that isn't the topic. Confabulation is a sign of dementia, not simple aging.Policy differences aside, Trump isn't giving that "tired, confused, old man" vibe... There is a difference between "incapable of governing" vs. "governing while being wrong, but doing the things your voters elected you to do".
What isn't these days? But that should not be an excuse not to address this problem.Plus, it would be political theater either way
It depends on how this progresses. If this continues to worsen, and it has worsened, then it may very well happen.If invoked, the vice president becomes acting president. If the president disputes it, Congress must decide the issue within 21 days. A two-thirds vote in both chambers is required to keep the vice president as acting president. If that threshold isn’t met, the president resumes office.
Do you honestly think such a measure would get 2/3 support from both chambers?
Clearly, you are missing the point: confabulation is not lying, not doublespeak (we got that in spades last term). Misrepresenting numbers is one thing, inability to understand numbers is quite another, probably not ideal in a president of an HOA let alone an entire country.If we're going to use lying, doublespeak, and misrepresenting numbers as a basis for invoking that process, we'll likely never have another president that gets to serve a full term.
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