Conception of Mary

[Standing Up]

Why do you say Mary is of Judah? I'm not disagreeing, but where are you getting this from?

The assumption is Mt. is telling us Joseph's lineage and Lk Mary's lineage (since the two aren't the same). Both trace their lineage back to David.

I haven't looked at this in a few years. But it strikes me as wrong that Mary was of Levi, even if her "cousin" had married a levite.

 

[Standing Up]

Joseph has nothing to do with the genealogy of Christ. Joseph is NOT the father of Christ. 100% of Christ's human genealogy is through His mother, Mary.

I'll trust you believe Christ was born of a virgin, if you 'll give me the courtesy, eh?

What group are you with, btw?

Jesus Christ, Yeshua Hamashiach, is both Priest and King through Mary, His mother because Mary's father, Heli, was of the lineage of Judah. And Mary's mother was of the lineage of Levi. We know that because Mary and Elisabeth were cousins. Elisabeth was in the lineage of Levi. We know that because Zacharias was a Levitical priest of the course of Abia, working in the temple. He could not have married a woman that was not 100% of Levi. Elisabeth’s mother was also 100% Levite, Mary’s mother was 100% Levite. Mary and Elisabeth were cousins so their mothers were sisters. (Genealogy can get confusing but in the case of Christ it must fulfill prophecy.)

Priest of Melchizedek-like, not Levi in any shape fashion or form.
King through David---

They married between tribes. It was foreign women (non Israel) that was forbidden.

Heb7 If therefore perfection were by the Levitical priesthood, (for under it the people received the law,) what further need [was there] that another priest should rise after the order of Melchisedec, and not be called after the order of Aaron?

Christ had zero to do with order of Aaron.

 

[ptomwebster]

I'll trust you believe Christ was born of a virgin, if you 'll give me the courtesy, eh?

Yes, of course!

Priest of Melchizedek-like, not Levi in any shape fashion or form.
King through David---

They married between tribes. It was foreign women (non Israel) that was forbidden.

Heb7 If therefore perfection were by the Levitical priesthood, (for under it the people received the law,) what further need [was there] that another priest should rise after the order of Melchisedec, and not be called after the order of Aaron?

Christ had zero to do with order of Aaron.

Christ was of both the tribes of Judah and Levi through Mary who was 50% Judah and 50% Levite. As well as being the Son of God.

 

[Mark_Sam]

Mat 1:16 And Jacob begat Joseph the husband of Mary, of whom was born Jesus, who is called Christ.

Looks like it's Joseph again. How could you read it any other way?

So Joseph has two fathers? I'm not trying to be silly; I simply wonder how you read this.

 

[Kristos]

Joseph has nothing to do with the genealogy of Christ. Joseph is NOT the father of Christ. 100% of Christ's human genealogy is through His mother, Mary.

Actually, by law Joseph is 100% Jesus' father. He took Jesus mother into his home and on the eighth day he name Jesus. The text seems pretty clear. Are you going to comment on the text and how you arrive at this conclusion based on the text?

 

[Standing Up]

So Joseph has two fathers? I'm not trying to be silly; I simply wonder how you read this.

Something about the Levirate law (applicable to all tribes) of the brother to raise up his brother's seed. The physical son and the "spiritual" son.

 

[Kristos]

So Joseph has two fathers? I'm not trying to be silly; I simply wonder how you read this.

I could answer based on EO Tradition, but I don't really want to open that can of worms. Based purely on the text it seems most likely that Matthew has not included every single name in his list. He framed his genealogy in three parts each with 14 generations. For him the number was a more important message than the names in between. If you start at David who is undisputedly the same person in both, Matthew has 28 names to Jesus and Luke has 42. You could explain some of this with late child bearing to a point, but I think it's unlikely. Another plausible explanation would be that the different names were the same people - many people used multiple names, although Heli - Jacob doesn't seem like a likely combination. A third explanation would be that Joseph is a levirate son, which would mean that Heli and Jacob were brothers, one died leaving a childless widow who, according to the Law, was then taken by the brother. I think any of the explanations would honor the text without distorting the message. On the other hand, saying that either of the genealogies is through Mary seems to be a direct contradiction to the text.

 

[Standing Up]

I could answer based on EO Tradition, but I don't really want to open that can of worms. Based purely on the text it seems most likely that Matthew has not included every single name in his list. He framed his genealogy in three parts each with 14 generations. For him the number was a more important message than the names in between. If you start at David who is undisputedly the same person in both, Matthew has 28 names to Jesus and Luke has 42. You could explain some of this with late child bearing to a point, but I think it's unlikely. Another plausible explanation would be that the different names were the same people - many people used multiple names, although Heli - Jacob doesn't seem like a likely combination. A third explanation would be that Joseph is a levirate son, which would mean that Heli and Jacob were brothers, one died leaving a childless widow who, according to the Law, was then taken by the brother. I think any of the explanations would honor the text without distorting the message. On the other hand, saying that either of the genealogies is through Mary seems to be a direct contradiction to the text.

Yes, and recall that was necessary in order to circumvent a curse.

As to why Mary as Levite, there must be some denominational tie in; perhaps LDS.

 

[Ave Maria]

Mary was immaculately conceived. Here are some articles on the Immaculate Conception of Mary for those who are interested in learning more:

Immaculate Conception and Assumption | Catholic Answers

Why Catholics Believe in the Immaculate Conception

CUF.org :: Catholics United for the Faith

Mary's Conception in Sacred Scripture and Tradition

Scripture Catholic - THE BLESSED VIRGIN MARY

The Immaculate Conception

The Creation and the Fall of Man

St. Francis Anthony of Lucera

St. Maximilian Mary Kolbe

Karl Keating

God Bless,
Ave Maria (Holly)

 

[Standing Up]

Mary was immaculately conceived. Here are some articles on the Immaculate Conception of Mary for those who are interested in learning more:

Immaculate Conception and Assumption | Catholic Answers

Why Catholics Believe in the Immaculate Conception

CUF.org :: Catholics United for the Faith

Mary's Conception in Sacred Scripture and Tradition

Scripture Catholic - THE BLESSED VIRGIN MARY

The Immaculate Conception

The Creation and the Fall of Man

St. Francis Anthony of Lucera

St. Maximilian Mary Kolbe

Karl Keating

God Bless,
Ave Maria (Holly)

When is the earliest mention of Mary's so-called immaculate conception? Was it about the 1300s?