No thread on the conception Mary??? Missed the date - I was on vacation
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virgin mary was concieved by St. Anna and St. Jochiachim from a long list of descendants in the NT genealogy of Jesus.
virgin mary was concieved by St. Anna and St. Jochiachim from a long list of descendants in the NT genealogy of Jesus.
Not really. The NT genealogies go through Joseph, not Mary...so Joachim and Anna are not mentioned.
No, Matthew's genealogy of Christ is through Joseph's side (Christ's step-father). The only segnificants of the Matthew geneology is to give the reason for Joseph going to Bethlehem to pay the tax. The genealogy in Luke is Mary's side through her father Heli.
No, Mary's father was Joachim. They both go through Joseph. If Matthew's only purpose for the tax, then he would have stopped at David, which he didn't, so that is obviously not his only purpose, and probably not even his main purpose.
ptomwebster said:I disagree, Heli is Marys father. Joseph is not in the lineage of Christ; Joseph was not the father of Christ. The genealogy in Matthew is different than the genealogy in Luke. Sorry!
I disagree, Heli is Marys father. Joseph is not in the lineage of Christ; Joseph was not the father of Christ. The genealogy in Matthew is different than the genealogy in Luke. Sorry!
Mary was of both the tribes of Judah (the King line) and the tribe of Levi (the priest line).
And what is your support for this view?
Luke 1. Mary's mother and Elisabeth were sisters. Elisabeth was 100% of Levi so Mary's mother was also 100% Levite. Mary's father, Heli, was from Judah through David.
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Why not both? I mean, people were known by many names in those times ... St. Peter was also known as Simon Peter, Cephas and Kepha; St. Mark was also known as John ... So maybe Heli and Joachim is the same person? Especially since the names might be related: "Heli" comes from "Eli" (Hebr. "ascension"), and "Joachim" from "Jehoiakim" (Hebr. "raised by YHWH"). That was my first thought on the subject.
Mary and Elizabeth were not sisters:
Luk 1:36 And, behold, thy cousin Elisabeth
This could be translated kinsman or relative too, but definitely not sister, so they could not have the same mother.
Luk 3:23 Jesus, when he began his ministry, was about thirty years of age, being the son (as was supposed) of Joseph, the son of Heli,
Where is Mary mentioned? This geneology goes through Joseph - the supposed father (and legal father) of Jesus.
I meant to say Mary's mother and Elisabeth were sisters.
Is Matthew's genealogy through Mary then?
I meant to say Mary's mother and Elisabeth were sisters.
In both Mt and Lk genealogies, both trace back to David, tribe of Judah.
But lets say Mary and Elisabeth were cousins. Their mothers (MM-Mary's mother and EM-Elisabeth's mother) were sisters. EM marries into Levi. But MM remains in Judah.
Point is, it doesn't change the geneologies. Joseph and Mary (and their parents) were of Judah. They trace back to David. Jesus was of Judah with no relationship to Levi.
In both Mt and Lk genealogies, both trace back to David, tribe of Judah.
But lets say Mary and Elisabeth were cousins. Their mothers (MM-Mary's mother and EM-Elisabeth's mother) were sisters. EM marries into Levi. But MM remains in Judah.
Point is, it doesn't change the geneologies. Joseph and Mary (and their parents) were of Judah. They trace back to David. Jesus was of Judah with no relationship to Levi.