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Conceived in Sin? Whose Sin?

Discussion in 'Exposition & Bible Study' started by newton3005, Aug 18, 2019.

  1. newton3005

    newton3005 New Member

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    In Psalms 51:5, David says “Behold, I was brought forth in iniquity, and in sin did my mother conceive me.” Is he saying that his mother sinned in the act which gave rise to his conception? Sounds like it, doesn’t it? Does that mean that any woman who copulates with a man is engaging in an act of sin? Since according to Matthew 7:1-5 it would be risky to act as a judge of someone else, we should consider the rest of the Bible accordance with 2 Timothy 3:16.

    First, is it sinful to have sex? Consider Galatians 5:19 which says, “Now the works of the flesh are evident: SEXUAL IMMORALITY...” What sexual immorality is referred to here? Go back to Genesis 2:24 in which God commands, “Therefore a man shall leave his father and his mother and hold fast to his wife, and they shall become one flesh.” Well, if God commands Adam and Eve, whom one may believe are MARRIED, to hold fast to eachother, then how can copulation be sinful in that regard? If we consider Genesis 2:24 along with Galatians 5:19, it is plausible to believe that the sexual immorality referred to in Galatians 5:19 excludes sex between a married couple.

    One may be led to ask if David’s parents were married when they had him. The Bible doesn’t tell us. The Bible does tell us in Ruth 4:13-17 that David is the father of Jesse. The Bible doesn’t say if Jesse was married when he helped conceive David. Perhaps David himself knew?

    Another possible interpretation of Psalms 51:5 is that this passage relates back to Genesis 8:21 in which God says “...the intention of man's heart is evil from his youth...” This implies that everyone is a born sinner, not only women who conceive, but everyone else who was born. So, David’s mother was a born sinner, his father Jesse was a born sinner, and everyone else is a born sinner. When David says he “was brought forth in iniquity,” it is then easy to see that the iniquity that David refers to is his own when he was born.

    Because sin is in our hearts, we can never be completely without sin. We can ask God to cleanse ourselves from time to time via Psalms 51, but our propensity to sin will come back from time to time.

    But as John 3:16-17 says, “For God so loved the world, that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life. For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but in order that the world might be saved through him,” it is through our belief in Lord Jesus that our sins can be minimized to the point where, all things considered, God would determine us to be righteous enough to live in His House.
     
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  2. SkyWriting

    SkyWriting The Librarian Supporter

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    Everyone.
    Unless one is conceived in the presence of God, they are born into a sin situation.

    God created Adam though the Spirit.
    After Adam people are not conceived or born that way.
    We are born into sin, without a halo.

    Psalms 58
    3 The wicked are estranged from the womb;
    they go astray from birth, speaking lies.
     
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  3. ~Zao~

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    It could be that David’s conception into sin was because of being a descendent of Ruth, a Moabite, that would place him outside of being one who would be eligible to enter the temple up to more generations that excludes David. Of course that would also apply to Jesus because of being outside of wedlock on conception. So not sure how all that applies to the Op?
     
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  4. PizzaAddict

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    No you missed entrie point , in sin he was made because people are sinners and the seed is corrupted by sin , that's why Virgin Birth of Mary to have somebody with pure seed .
     
  5. RDKirk

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    David could write that because he understood this:

    Therefore, just as sin entered the world through one man, and death through sin, and in this way death came to all people, because all sinned-- Romans 5
     
  6. sdowney717

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    3 The wicked are estranged from the womb;
    they go astray from birth, speaking lies.

    There are none the does good, no not a single one.

    9 What then? Are we better than they? Not at all. For we have previously charged both Jews and Greeks that they are all under sin.

    10 As it is written:

    “There is none righteous, no, not one;
    11 There is none who understands;
    There is none who seeks after God.
    12 They have all turned aside;
    They have together become unprofitable;
    There is none who does good, no, not one.”

    Since you are born into this world of sin and death, you must be born again to enter the kingdom and have eternal life.
    No one seeks for God unless God first regenerates them by His grace. He does that by making you born again, then you can be taught by the Holy Spirit and come to Christ and believe.

    Heart change first ( the new spirit God creates inside of you ), the heart believes unto righteousness, then the mouth speaks from the heart and you are saved.
     
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