Computers in heaven?

[Allister]

i heard someone (a christian i do believe) once say that Intelligence is linked to consiousness and that is consiousness is linked to the spirit and the spirit to God.
If this is so then when we create A.I (artificial intelligence) and if this intelligence is conscious of its own being will it also have a soul and be linked to God?
Will there be laptops in heaven?

i apologise for the poor spelling and grammer

 

[Madcoil]

I always thought Artificial Intelligence would be artificial...

 

[Allister]

yes it would be in the sense it was man made but if it had intelligence..........artificial or not and it also had self awareness would it contain a soul?
since certain people associate intelligence and self awarness to the spirit.

 

[kedaman]

sample prolog code

power(X,0,P) :-
P = 1.
power(X,N,P) :-
N>0,
N1 is N-1,
power(X,N1,P1),
P is P1 * X.

hmm.. I don't think it has a soul..

 

[Allister]

samppower(X,0,P) :-
P = 1.
power(X,N,P) :-
N>0,
N1 is N-1,
power(X,N1,P1),
P is P1 * X.le prolog code

rephrase that for the layman please.

 

[kedaman]

rephrase that for the layman please.

Its a function saying the N'th power of X is P.

we can recursively define X^N as X * X^(N-1) except for X^0 which is 1

the exception is coded thus in prolog:
power(X,0,P) :- P = 1.
translates to X^0=P where P=1.

now looking at the recursive part, we need to define the conditions where the power is valid.

N has to be posive, so N>0.

the power of N relates to the lesser power of N-1, so we call that N1. N1 is N-1.

the lesser power we call P1 = X^N1, and notate it power(X,N1,P1).

and finally we relate the power of N, that is P to P1, which is X times P1. P is P1 * X.

:- means where. So what follows where is the condtions of the function being defined, which we separate with commas:

N>0,
N1 is N-1,
power(X,N1,P1),
P is P1 * X

Hope that makes sense.

 

[Allister]

Hope that makes sense.

sorry it's still just as confusing as the first time.
could you try and simplify it more or just tell me what you are trying to say.
ive never had a great understanding of maths so dont assume im some idiot.
thanks

 

[Madcoil]

Too late!

 

[kedaman]

Ok, I'll just say what I'm trying to say then.. I can sit here and code here all night, but I wouldn't be able to make it have a soul

 

[Madcoil]

Wait wait. If X=5 and N=3, does P=125 or does it cry havoc and let loose the baptized dogs of war?

 

[Allister]

Ok, I'll just say what I'm trying to say then.. I can sit here and code here all night, but I wouldn't be able to make it have a soul

[/QUOTE)

i agree.
could a computer someday have intelligence and self awareness. in the same way all the multi million pound movies suggest. (terminator, matrix, 2001 a space oddessy, AI....etc)
if a machine has self awareness and consiousness would it still be soulless. im asking for your religious opinion not your programming opinion.
if your answer is still no, that you still insist it would not have a soul then i think we can aply this reasoning to human beings. no where in our "programming" is there any proof of a soul yet people still believe we have them.
if a computer had intelligence and self awareness and had no soul wouldnt it invent one to stop itself from going insane? inventing a happy joyful place for it to pass into once its power is exhausted? believing in this would give it self justification to lead a unhappy and exploited life.
wouldn't it be in our favour to invent and program this belief into a A.I computer, for our own benifit?

anyway thats just my idea.

 

[lillies_and_remains]

The idea of a 'soul' is completely vague anyway. What is it? I don't think its actually a physical thing, or even an abstract thing, it is just a word we have invented to collect together a persons particular beliefs values and way of life which only exists because of our conciousness having evolved. So really I don't think the spirit or soul causes conciousness, it is a sympton of conciousness .

 

[*Starlight*]

i heard someone (a christian i do believe) once say that Intelligence is linked to consiousness and that is consiousness is linked to the spirit and the spirit to God.
If this is so then when we create A.I (artificial intelligence) and if this intelligence is conscious of its own being will it also have a soul and be linked to God?
Will there be laptops in heaven?

i apologise for the poor spelling and grammer

I don't know, but maybe it's the other way around, a computer will become intelligent and conscious when it gets a soul. Then it won't be AI any more, but it will be real intelligence.

 

[kedaman]

Madcoil, this is what I get with SWI Prolog:
?- trace, power(5,3,P).
Call: (8) power(5, 3, _G162) ? creep
^ Call: (9) 3>0 ? creep
^ Exit: (9) 3>0 ? creep
^ Call: (9) _G237 is 3-1 ? creep
^ Exit: (9) 2 is 3-1 ? creep
Call: (9) power(5, 2, _G236) ? creep
^ Call: (10) 2>0 ? creep
^ Exit: (10) 2>0 ? creep
^ Call: (10) _G240 is 2-1 ? creep
^ Exit: (10) 1 is 2-1 ? creep
Call: (10) power(5, 1, _G239) ? creep
^ Call: (11) 1>0 ? creep
^ Exit: (11) 1>0 ? creep
^ Call: (11) _G243 is 1-1 ? creep
^ Exit: (11) 0 is 1-1 ? creep
Call: (11) power(5, 0, _G242) ? creep
Call: (12) _G243=1 ? creep
Exit: (12) 1=1 ? creep
Exit: (11) power(5, 0, 1) ? creep
^ Call: (11) _G246 is 1*5 ? creep
^ Exit: (11) 5 is 1*5 ? creep
Exit: (10) power(5, 1, 5) ? creep
^ Call: (10) _G249 is 5*5 ? creep
^ Exit: (10) 25 is 5*5 ? creep
Exit: (9) power(5, 2, 25) ? creep
^ Call: (9) _G162 is 25*5 ? creep
^ Exit: (9) 125 is 25*5 ? creep
Exit: (8) power(5, 3, 125) ? creep
P = 125

Yes



Allister:

No, I don't think so, computers have limitations, however human intelligence can be simulated with a computer, the turing test is such a simulation. You place a computer in a room, and then have a human ask it questions and let it answer, and if the human cannot discern it from another human then it is computer simulated intelligence.

My religious opinon of it is irrelevant, ideas like "soul" or "spirit" are things that cannot be tested in any way. People have these ideas still, and its not just a useless concept, they dictate how they live, its similar to how code dictate the function of a program.

 

[Blackmarch]

i heard someone (a christian i do believe) once say that Intelligence is linked to consiousness and that is consiousness is linked to the spirit and the spirit to God.
If this is so then when we create A.I (artificial intelligence) and if this intelligence is conscious of its own being will it also have a soul and be linked to God?
Will there be laptops in heaven?

i apologise for the poor spelling and grammer

Hmmm, there's a thought... Kinda like it.
Perhaps, but not as we know them.

 

[Gold Dragon]

Hell is doing tech support for heaven.

 

[Blackmarch]

LOl

Here's a thought for you; what if all physical matter has a spiritual counterpart, (and thus even a smidgen of Intelligence)?