Components of the seven years in Revelation chart

[tranquil]

It seems like from your chart is that you believe the next biblical event is the 1st woe, the flesh tormenting locust creatures ?

tranquil - your chart needs a distinctive flow to it. The beginning of the timeline at the extreme left and the ending of the timeline at the extreme right.

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The 'locusts' are the 'people of the prince to come'. They are symbolic locusts, representing the curse for being disobedience.

Deut 28

38You will sow much seed in the field but harvest little, because the locusts will consume it. 39You will plant and cultivate vineyards, but will neither drink the wine nor gather the grapes, because worms will eat them. 40You will have olive trees throughout your territory but will never anoint yourself with oil, because the olives will drop off. 41You will father sons and daughters, but they will not remain yours, because they will go into captivity.

42 Swarms of locusts will consume all your trees and the produce of your land.

43The foreigner living among you will rise higher and higher above you, while you sink down lower and lower. 44He will lend to you, but you will not lend to him. He will be the head, and you will be the tail.

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48you will serve your enemies the LORD will send against you in famine, thirst, nakedness, and destitution. He will place an iron yoke on your neck until He has destroyed you.

49 The LORD will bring a nation from afar, from the ends of the earth, to swoop down upon you like an eagle—a nation whose language you will not understand, 50a ruthless nation with no respect for the old and no pity for the young.

51 They will eat the offspring of your livestock and the produce of your land until you are destroyed. They will leave you no grain or new wine or oil, no calves of your herds or lambs of your flocks, until they have caused you to perish. 52They will besiege all the cities throughout your land, until the high and fortified walls in which you trust have fallen. They will besiege all your cities throughout the land that the LORD your God has given you.
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Locusts 'eat the land up' and this is compared to a nation bringing an army that will 'eat up their produce, leaving no grain or wine'.

This army is what is helping to place the abomination in Jerusalem at the start of the 6th Trumpet.​

 

[tranquil]

What does the overall chart represent ?

I am not knowledgeable regarding Paint so I can't offer anything. But you need to improve your chart, because it is not understandable as is.

Pick one event is that is the first most, and begin your chart from there. Your chart looks like a tablecloth rather than a timeline.

What is the first most event to come - in your view? Sukkot happens every year. What is the specific event to take place on Sukkot?

Does every Sukkot look like the end of the world with people hiding in caves? That is the start.

 

[Douggg]

Does every Sukkot look like the end of the world with people hiding in caves? That is the start.

What event are you determining people hiding in caves? What passage in the bible?

 

[Timtofly]

I should have worded it as, 'they are able to give gifts'.

The 'great tribulation' is over when Rev 9 says

20 Now the rest of mankind who were not killed by these plagues still did not repent of the works of their hands. They did not stop worshiping demons and idols of gold, silver, bronze, stone, and wood, which cannot see or hear or walk.
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These people are still worshipping idols.

Would the GT not be over when God declares it is over at the 7th Trumpet?

Why would God still punish the earth after all the kingdoms are under His control? Revelation 11:15-18. The first 6 Trumpets sounded, and 7 Thunders sounded of God's wrath on earth. Is not the 7th Trumpet the end? Revelation 10:7

Yes after the 6th Trumpet sounded, they were not convinced. There were still 7 Thunders we are not even told about. The GT is not over until they sound prior to the 7th Trumpet.

The 7th Trumpet is the 3rd woe. But only if Satan is given 42 months. If no 42 months, the 3rd woe is still that all humans will be dead any ways. Revelation 14 makes sure of that.

 

[tranquil]

Would the GT not be over when God declares it is over at the 7th Trumpet?

Why would God still punish the earth after all the kingdoms are under His control? Revelation 11:15-18. The first 6 Trumpets sounded, and 7 Thunders sounded of God's wrath on earth. Is not the 7th Trumpet the end? Revelation 10:7

Yes after the 6th Trumpet sounded, they were not convinced. There were still 7 Thunders we are not even told about. The GT is not over until they sound prior to the 7th Trumpet.

The 7th Trumpet is the 3rd woe. But only if Satan is given 42 months. If no 42 months, the 3rd woe is still that all humans will be dead any ways. Revelation 14 makes sure of that.

'Would the GT not be over when God declares it is over at the 7th Trumpet?'
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Where is it declared over? At the 7th bowl it is declared 'over', but is that referring to the 'great tribulation'? It doesn't say one way or the other. I'm not trying to be difficult, I'm just not dogmatic about the great tribulation being over after the 1st part of the 6th Trumpet or at the 7th Bowl. It seems irrelevant either way. A good case could be made for either I think.

'Why would God still punish the earth after all the kingdoms are under His control? Revelation 11:15-18. The first 6 Trumpets sounded, and 7 Thunders sounded of God's wrath on earth. Is not the 7th Trumpet the end? Revelation 10:7'​

He is punishing the people who did not repent after the 6th Trumpet's great tribulation

Revelation 9:20 Now the rest of mankind who were not killed by these plagues still did not repent of the works of their hands. They did not stop worshiping demons and idols of gold, silver, bronze, stone, and wood, which cannot see or hear or walk.
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The people who don't repent are lured into the beast from the sea & mark of the beast at the 7th Trumpet. This is the gathering of the tares to be burned. This is how the world is purified and is a reward for the saints.

As to Revelation 10:7, look at the graph

7 But in the days of the voice of the seventh angel, when he is about to sound his trumpet, the mystery of God will be fulfilled, just as He proclaimed to His servants the prophets.”

this verse is right at the end of the great tribulation/ start of the Daniel 9:27 covenant. If the 'antichrist' doesn't break this covenant, it could be the start of the millenium right here. But people haven't repented. The 2 witnesses have 1260 days to get them right with God.

Yes after the 6th Trumpet sounded, they were not convinced. There were still 7 Thunders we are not even told about. The GT is not over until they sound prior to the 7th Trumpet.
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Like I said, I'm fine with this. The only reason I pointed this out is that Doug said people wouldn't be giving gifts during the great tribulation because the world would be too messed up for them to be able to do this. And I said, the great tribulation was over and that is why people are able to go about and give gifts. This is the time of 'peace and safety' from Ezek 38

8After a long time you will be summoned. In the latter years you will enter a land that has recovered from war, whose people were gathered from many nations to the mountains of Israel, which had long been desolate. They had been brought out from the nations, and all now dwell securely. 9You and all your troops, and many peoples with you will go up, advancing like a thunderstorm; you will be like a cloud covering the land. 10This is what the Lord GOD says: On that day, thoughts will arise in your mind, and you will devise an evil plan. 11You will say, ‘I will go up against a land of unwalled villages; I will come against a tranquil people who dwell securely, all of them living without walls or bars or gates— 12in order to seize the spoil and carry off the plunder, to turn a hand against the desolate places now inhabited and against a people gathered from the nations, who have acquired livestock and possessions and who live at the center of the land.’​

That 'gathering' (what people mistake as a 'whisked away' rapture) is what is being referred to in Matthew 24:31 And He will send out His angels with a loud trumpet call, and they will gather His elect from the four winds, from one end of the heavens to the other.

If you want to say it is still the great tribulation even though there is 'peace & safety,' then I don't have a problem with this.

'The 7th Trumpet is the 3rd woe. But only if Satan is given 42 months. If no 42 months, the 3rd woe is still that all humans will be dead any ways. Revelation 14 makes sure of that.'
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It is the dragon that gives the beast authority for 42 months, not God. (Revelation 13:4-5) This time is cut short and is one meaning of the 'great tribulation' being cut short (Matthew 24:23). Again, whether there is 'great tribulation' until the end of the 1st part of the 6th Trumpet and then again at the 7th Trumpet, or just great tribulation throughout until the 7th Bowl, either way doesn't matter to me.

Revelation 14:14-20 is when the people who didn't repent after the 1st part of the 6th Trumpet are lured into the beast from the sea and the mark of the beast at the end of the 2 witnesses 1260 days, and are then disposed of. This is the harvest at the end of the age

Matt 13

24Jesus put before them another parable: “The kingdom of heaven is like a man who sowed good seed in his field. 25But while everyone was asleep, his enemy came and sowed weeds among the wheat, and slipped away. 26When the wheat sprouted and bore grain, then the weeds also appeared. 27The owner’s servants came to him and said, ‘Sir, didn’t you sow good seed in your field? Where then did the weeds come from?’ 28‘An enemy did this,’ he replied.

So the servants asked him, ‘Do you want us to go and pull them up?’ 29‘No,’ he said, ‘if you pull the weeds now, you might uproot the wheat with them. 30Let both grow together until the harvest. At that time I will tell the harvesters: First collect the weeds and tie them in bundles to be burned; then gather the wheat into my barn.’ ”​

 

[Douggg]

As to Revelation 10:7, look at the graph

tranquil, on your "chart", state the event(s) and when appropriate, put for example, (sukkot, 15 Tishri) in parenthesis above it.

What is the first event on your timeline. that takes place on (sukkot, 15 Tishri)?

My suggestion is to go to Amazon and purchase Corel Paintshop Pro. Something that is useable. And make your chart pictures with that.

MS paint is not a user friendly program and is very limited.

 

[Timtofly]

'Would the GT not be over when God declares it is over at the 7th Trumpet?'
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Where is it declared over? At the 7th bowl it is declared 'over', but is that referring to the 'great tribulation'? It doesn't say one way or the other. I'm not trying to be difficult, I'm just not dogmatic about the great tribulation being over after the 1st part of the 6th Trumpet or at the 7th Bowl. It seems irrelevant either way. A good case could be made for either I think.

'Why would God still punish the earth after all the kingdoms are under His control? Revelation 11:15-18. The first 6 Trumpets sounded, and 7 Thunders sounded of God's wrath on earth. Is not the 7th Trumpet the end? Revelation 10:7'​

He is punishing the people who did not repent after the 6th Trumpet's great tribulation

Revelation 9:20 Now the rest of mankind who were not killed by these plagues still did not repent of the works of their hands. They did not stop worshiping demons and idols of gold, silver, bronze, stone, and wood, which cannot see or hear or walk.
​

The people who don't repent are lured into the beast from the sea & mark of the beast at the 7th Trumpet. This is the gathering of the tares to be burned. This is how the world is purified and is a reward for the saints.

As to Revelation 10:7, look at the graph

7 But in the days of the voice of the seventh angel, when he is about to sound his trumpet, the mystery of God will be fulfilled, just as He proclaimed to His servants the prophets.”

this verse is right at the end of the great tribulation/ start of the Daniel 9:27 covenant. If the 'antichrist' doesn't break this covenant, it could be the start of the millenium right here. But people haven't repented. The 2 witnesses have 1260 days to get them right with God.

Yes after the 6th Trumpet sounded, they were not convinced. There were still 7 Thunders we are not even told about. The GT is not over until they sound prior to the 7th Trumpet.
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Like I said, I'm fine with this. The only reason I pointed this out is that Doug said people wouldn't be giving gifts during the great tribulation because the world would be too messed up for them to be able to do this. And I said, the great tribulation was over and that is why people are able to go about and give gifts. This is the time of 'peace and safety' from Ezek 38

8After a long time you will be summoned. In the latter years you will enter a land that has recovered from war, whose people were gathered from many nations to the mountains of Israel, which had long been desolate. They had been brought out from the nations, and all now dwell securely. 9You and all your troops, and many peoples with you will go up, advancing like a thunderstorm; you will be like a cloud covering the land. 10This is what the Lord GOD says: On that day, thoughts will arise in your mind, and you will devise an evil plan. 11You will say, ‘I will go up against a land of unwalled villages; I will come against a tranquil people who dwell securely, all of them living without walls or bars or gates— 12in order to seize the spoil and carry off the plunder, to turn a hand against the desolate places now inhabited and against a people gathered from the nations, who have acquired livestock and possessions and who live at the center of the land.’​

That 'gathering' (what people mistake as a 'whisked away' rapture) is what is being referred to in Matthew 24:31 And He will send out His angels with a loud trumpet call, and they will gather His elect from the four winds, from one end of the heavens to the other.

If you want to say it is still the great tribulation even though there is 'peace & safety,' then I don't have a problem with this.

'The 7th Trumpet is the 3rd woe. But only if Satan is given 42 months. If no 42 months, the 3rd woe is still that all humans will be dead any ways. Revelation 14 makes sure of that.'
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It is the dragon that gives the beast authority for 42 months, not God. (Revelation 13:4-5) This time is cut short and is one meaning of the 'great tribulation' being cut short (Matthew 24:23). Again, whether there is 'great tribulation' until the end of the 1st part of the 6th Trumpet and then again at the 7th Trumpet, or just great tribulation throughout until the 7th Bowl, either way doesn't matter to me.

Revelation 14:14-20 is when the people who didn't repent after the 1st part of the 6th Trumpet are lured into the beast from the sea and the mark of the beast at the end of the 2 witnesses 1260 days, and are then disposed of. This is the harvest at the end of the age

Matt 13

24Jesus put before them another parable: “The kingdom of heaven is like a man who sowed good seed in his field. 25But while everyone was asleep, his enemy came and sowed weeds among the wheat, and slipped away. 26When the wheat sprouted and bore grain, then the weeds also appeared. 27The owner’s servants came to him and said, ‘Sir, didn’t you sow good seed in your field? Where then did the weeds come from?’ 28‘An enemy did this,’ he replied.

So the servants asked him, ‘Do you want us to go and pull them up?’ 29‘No,’ he said, ‘if you pull the weeds now, you might uproot the wheat with them. 30Let both grow together until the harvest. At that time I will tell the harvesters: First collect the weeds and tie them in bundles to be burned; then gather the wheat into my barn.’ ”​

OK, thank you. You seem to incorporate Revelation 16 into the 6th Trumpet woe. Having both peace and safety, then sudden destruction.

 

[tranquil]

OK, thank you. You seem to incorporate Revelation 16 into the 6th Trumpet woe. Having both peace and safety, then sudden destruction.

When you combine the 70 weeks to anoint somebody or something in Daniel 9:24-27 with Haggai 2

20 The word of the Lord came to Haggai a second time on the twenty-fourth day of the month: 21 “Tell Zerubbabel governor of Judah that I am going to shake the heavens and the earth. 22 I will overturn royal thrones and shatter the power of the foreign kingdoms. I will overthrow chariots and their drivers; horses and their riders will fall, each by the sword of his brother.

23 “‘On that day,’ declares the Lord Almighty, ‘I will take you, my servant Zerubbabel son of Shealtiel,’ declares the Lord, ‘and I will make you like my signet ring, for I have chosen you,’ declares the Lord Almighty.”
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that person getting anointed is Zerubabbel on 24 Kislev (the start of Hanukah) and then God goes out to overthrow the evil governments of the world [ = the Armageddon war of the 6th Bowl of wrath] and God shakes the heavens & earth [= the 7th Bowl of wrath earthquake, thunder, lightning, and hailstorm] and then it's done.

17Then the seventh angel poured out his bowl into the air, and a loud voice came from the throne in the temple, saying, “It is done!” 18And there were flashes of lightning, and rumblings, and peals of thunder, and a great earthquake the likes of which had not occurred since men were upon the earth—so mighty was the great quake. 19The great city was split into three parts, and the cities of the nations collapsed. And God remembered Babylon the great and gave her the cup of the wine of the fury of His wrath. 20Then every island fled, and no mountain could be found. 21And great hailstones weighing almost a hundred pounds each rained down on them from above. And men cursed God for the plague of hail, because it was so horrendous.
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and then it is done at the end of Hanukah, the exact end of 70 weeks from:

• a start of Sukkot/ Tabernacles,
  
• 5 months, (Daniel 9:26's 'people of the prince to come will destroy the city')
  
• 42 months, (Daniel 9:26's 'people of the prince to come will destroy the sanctuary')
  
• (this great tribulation is cut short after 150 days ('its end comes with a flood' Daniel 9:26)
  (start 1260 days of the 2 witnesses with the peace covenant at Daniel 9:27)​
• 70 weeks to finish the transgression (the initial 7 weeks of Daniel 9:25 ends the 1290 days of the abomination)
  
• the Gog attack/ breaking of the covenant occurring during the remaining 63 weeks is the 'times of distress'/ 'troublous times' from Daniel 9:25
  
• End of the 70 weeks on the end of Hanukah

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