Components of the seven years in Revelation chart

[Douggg]

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Write up in post 2 below.

 

[Douggg]

The two witnesses testify the first 1260 days of the seven years. It will be in the first half, because once they are killed, the world celebrates and exchange presents. That time of merriment will not be possible near the end of the 7 years, when the world will be in the worst portion of the great tribulation.

After their bodies lie-ing dead in the streets of Jerusalem, the two witnesses come back to life, and are called up to heaven.

Followed by the 7th angel sounding his trumpet. Which will signal Michael that now is the time to cast Satan down to earth. The war in the second heaven takes place in Revelation 12:7-9, after the 1260 days in Revelation 12:6.

We are not informed of how much earth time passes as that war takes place. But we are informed when Satan is cast down, he has a short time left, the time/times/half time of Revelation 12:14

 

[Original Happy Camper]

unfortunatly 2+2= 4 not anything else

 

[Douggg]

unfortunatly 2+2= 4 not anything else

Half + Half = 1

There are the three different time expressions in Revelation because the 1260 days, the 42 months, the time/times/half time are not "exact" equivalents of each other.

 

[Original Happy Camper]

Half + Half = 1

There are the three different time expressions in Revelation because the 1260 days, the 42 months, the time/times/half time are not "exact" equivalents of each other.

Time, times and half a time, 42 months, and 1260 days are all the same time period written in different forms. This can be deduced from Hebrew parallelism.

 

[Douggg]

Time, times and half a time, 42 months, and 1260 days are all the same time period written in different forms. This can be deduced from Hebrew parallelism.

parallelism means not exact, but parallel.

For example, Luke 21 is a parallel to the Matthew 24 Olivet discourse.

First half and second half are not biblical terms, btw. But for discussion purposes, they are often used.

 

[tranquil]

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The two witnesses testify the first 1260 days of the seven years. It will be in the first half, because once they are killed, the world celebrates and exchange presents. That time of merriment will not be possible near the end of the 7 years, when the world will be in the worst portion of the great tribulation.

After their bodies lie-ing dead in the streets of Jerusalem, the two witnesses come back to life, and are called up to heaven.

Followed by the 7th angel sounding his trumpet. Which will signal Michael that now is the time to cast Satan down to earth. The war in the second heaven takes place in Revelation 12:7-9, after the 1260 days in Revelation 12:6.

We are not informed of how much earth time passes as that war takes place. But we are informed when Satan is cast down, he has a short time left, the time/times/half time of Revelation 12:14

The 2 witnesses 1260 days are after the great tribulation. People give gifts because the great tribulation is in the past.

Rev 9:20 Now the rest of mankind who were not killed by these plagues still did not repent of the works of their hands. They did not stop worshiping demons and idols of gold, silver, bronze, stone, and wood, which cannot see or hear or walk.​

The 1st part of the 6th Trumpet is the great tribulation. Then the 2 witnesses are proclaiming that the antichrist will break the covenant at the end of the 2nd woe/ start of the 7th Trumpet.

The abomination statue is before the 'sign of the son of man' in Matt 24. This is the 'great tribulation' you are referring to.

The 'living image' in Rev 13 is after the 'sign of the son of man' (Revelation 12:1). This is Gog.

• Trumpets 1-5 / 1st Woe/
  
• 5 months
• Start of the abomination in Jerusalem. Start of the 6th Trumpet. Start of 42 months. Start 1290 days.
• 150 days after the 6th Trumpet, the great tribulation is cut short. Start 1260 days of 2 witnesses.
• At the end of 42 months from the start of the 6th Trumpet, start the 'call to restore Jerusalem', literally 70 weeks.
• 7 weeks after the 'call to restore Jerusalem', the abomination is removed, ending the 1290 days.
• At the end of the 2 witnesses 1260 days, the beast from the sea arrives and the 'living image'. This corresponds to Daniel 9:25 Know and understand this: From the issuance of the decree to restore and rebuild Jerusalem, until the Messiah, the Prince, there will be seven weeks and sixty-two weeks. It will be rebuilt with streets and a trench, but in times of distress.
• Zerubabbel is anointed on 24 Kislev/ Hanukah. Great EQ of the 7th Bowl of wrath
• End of Hanukah, end of the 70 weeks.

The 'times of distress' is the beast from the sea, earth, and the living image idol, all of which is Gog.

 

[Douggg]

The 2 witnesses 1260 days are after the great tribulation. People give gifts because the great tribulation is in the past.

Rev 9:20 Now the rest of mankind who were not killed by these plagues still did not repent of the works of their hands. They did not stop worshiping demons and idols of gold, silver, bronze, stone, and wood, which cannot see or hear or walk.​

The 1st part of the 6th Trumpet is the great tribulation. Then the 2 witnesses are proclaiming that the antichrist will break the covenant at the end of the 2nd woe/ start of the 7th Trumpet.

The abomination statue is before the 'sign of the son of man' in Matt 24. This is the 'great tribulation' you are referring to.

The 'living image' in Rev 13 is after the 'sign of the son of man' (Revelation 12:1). This is Gog.

• Trumpets 1-5 / 1st Woe/
  
• 5 months
• Start of the abomination in Jerusalem. Start of the 6th Trumpet. Start of 42 months. Start 1290 days.
• 150 days after the 6th Trumpet, the great tribulation is cut short. Start 1260 days of 2 witnesses.
• At the end of 42 months from the start of the 6th Trumpet, start the 'call to restore Jerusalem', literally 70 weeks.
• 7 weeks after the 'call to restore Jerusalem', the abomination is removed, ending the 1290 days.
• At the end of the 2 witnesses 1260 days, the beast from the sea arrives and the 'living image'. This corresponds to Daniel 9:25 Know and understand this: From the issuance of the decree to restore and rebuild Jerusalem, until the Messiah, the Prince, there will be seven weeks and sixty-two weeks. It will be rebuilt with streets and a trench, but in times of distress.
• Zerubabbel is anointed on 24 Kislev/ Hanukah. Great EQ of the 7th Bowl of wrath
• End of Hanukah, end of the 70 weeks.

The 'times of distress' is the beast from the sea, earth, and the living image idol, all of which is Gog.

tranquil, might I suggest that you make a chart containing all of the timeline elements in you posts. Verbalization alone, of a complex set of events, is not enough to make it clear of how the events relates to one another.

I use the corel "picture it pro" program to create my charts. It is available at Amazon as one source. It is going to run around $70- $80.

If you want to have people digest and comprehend what you post of a complex series of events - then you are going to have to put it all on a chart. Otherwise, you are just flooding them with two much information to process. And you will not get responses, nor dialogue.

There may be a forum at Christian Forums to discuss how to use such programs. I don't know.

Make an effort. Victory in Jesus, right?

 

[Douggg]

The 2 witnesses 1260 days are after the great tribulation. People give gifts because the great tribulation is in the past.

That is not why the will be exchanging gifts. They will be exchanging gifts because the two witnesses who called the plagues affecting the whole world will have been killed.

Those plagues are likely the first four trumpet judgments of the great tribulation. The great tribulation will be far from over, when the people exchange gifts.

 

[Douggg]

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[tranquil]

That is not why the will be exchanging gifts. They will be exchanging gifts because the two witnesses who called the plagues affecting the whole world will have been killed.

Those plagues are likely the first four trumpet judgments of the great tribulation. The great tribulation will be far from over, when the people exchange gifts.

I should have worded it as, 'they are able to give gifts'.

The 'great tribulation' is over when Rev 9 says

20 Now the rest of mankind who were not killed by these plagues still did not repent of the works of their hands. They did not stop worshiping demons and idols of gold, silver, bronze, stone, and wood, which cannot see or hear or walk.
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These people are still worshipping idols.

 

[tranquil]

tranquil, might I suggest that you make a chart containing all of the timeline elements in you posts. Verbalization alone, of a complex set of events, is not enough to make it clear of how the events relates to one another.

I use the corel "picture it pro" program to create my charts. It is available at Amazon as one source. It is going to run around $70- $80.

If you want to have people digest and comprehend what you post of a complex series of events - then you are going to have to put it all on a chart. Otherwise, you are just flooding them with two much information to process. And you will not get responses, nor dialogue.

There may be a forum at Christian Forums to discuss how to use such programs. I don't know.

Make an effort. Victory in Jesus, right?

 

[tranquil]

tranquil, might I suggest that you make a chart containing all of the timeline elements in you posts. Verbalization alone, of a complex set of events, is not enough to make it clear of how the events relates to one another.

I use the corel "picture it pro" program to create my charts. It is available at Amazon as one source. It is going to run around $70- $80.

If you want to have people digest and comprehend what you post of a complex series of events - then you are going to have to put it all on a chart. Otherwise, you are just flooding them with two much information to process. And you will not get responses, nor dialogue.

There may be a forum at Christian Forums to discuss how to use such programs. I don't know.

Make an effort. Victory in Jesus, right?

Edited to include 6th & 7th Trumpet labels

 

[Douggg]

I should have worded it as, 'they are able to give gifts'.

The 'great tribulation' is over when Rev 9 says

20 Now the rest of mankind who were not killed by these plagues still did not repent of the works of their hands. They did not stop worshiping demons and idols of gold, silver, bronze, stone, and wood, which cannot see or hear or walk.
​

These people are still worshipping idols.

That verse would mean the great tribulation is not over.

What ends the great tribulation is Jesus's return to this earth in Matthew 24:30b.

30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

 

[Douggg]

Tranquil,

What program did you use to make your chart?

On your chart where should a person start ? Upper left corner?

Why do you have an arrow pointing upward and Trumpet 1-4 ?

And why don't you have Jesus's return, placed on the chart?

 

[Douggg]

Edited to include 6th & 7th Trumpet labels

It seems like from your chart is that you believe the next biblical event is the 1st woe, the flesh tormenting locust creatures ?

tranquil - your chart needs a distinctive flow to it. The beginning of the timeline at the extreme left and the ending of the timeline at the extreme right.

 

[tranquil]

That verse would mean the great tribulation is not over.

What ends the great tribulation is Jesus's return to this earth in Matthew 24:30b.

30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

It is over for that particular time frame segment.

It depends how you define 'great tribulation'. If you define it as all the material in the 7 Trumpets, then no, it is not over yet. If you want to say it is over for that particular event, then it is.

 

[tranquil]

Tranquil,

What program did you use to make your chart?

On your chart where should a person start ? Upper left corner?

Why do you have an arrow pointing upward and Trumpet 1-4 ?

And why don't you have Jesus's return, placed on the chart?

Just Paint. Start at the left, move right. I'm indicating the first leftmost time. The first 4 Trumpets begin the sequence.

I am not aware of any particular verse saying that Jesus returns at any specific time. Zerubabbel being anointed is given a date in Haggai 2:20-23. New Zerubabbel & new Yeshua (Joshua/ 'Jesus') are the 2 anointed ones from Zechariah 4 (aka the 2 witnesses).

 

[Douggg]

It depends how you define 'great tribulation'. If you define it as all the material in the 7 Trumpets, then no, it is not over yet. If you want to say it is over for that particular event, then it is.

The great tribulation will be the worst time in man's history, and if not limited in duration, no flesh on earth would survive.

The great tribulation contains the 7 trumpets, and the 7 bowls of God's wrath. But those are not all inclusive of the troubles there will be during that time. There will Satan's wrath during that time as well, knowing he has but a short time left.

In Matthew 24:15-21, we are informed by Jesus of what triggers the great tribulation. It will be the abomination of desolation standing in the hold place.

My chart shows the Great Tribulation start point on my chart below.

 

[Douggg]

Just Paint. Start at the left, move right. I'm indicating the first leftmost time. The first 4 Trumpets begin the sequence.

What does the overall chart represent ?

I am not knowledgeable regarding Paint so I can't offer anything. But you need to improve your chart, because it is not understandable as is.

Pick one event is that is the first most, and begin your chart from there. Your chart looks like a tablecloth rather than a timeline.

What is the first most event to come - in your view? Sukkot happens every year. What is the specific event to take place on Sukkot?