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Common fear

razeontherock

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Hello!

During the brief period that I was active in this sub-forum, I noticed some things that the Lord has impressed upon me I need to share. First of all, this is a very tight-knit bunch, with some of the best fellowship I've ever experienced online. The level of sharing that takes place is intensely honest, real, and on a very gut level. That makes things very meaningful.

There has been a common fear expressed. On some level, it equates to God's people being bound by the devil which infuriates me; it also breaks my heart and makes me cry. Now you now why I needed a break from this particular sub-forum. This will be difficult to articulate, so i apologize in advance if I can't make everything perfectly clear. Please do try to hear what is being said? And if what I say here doesn't pertain to you in any way, please recognize I'm not directing it towards you. It certainly does pertain to me, and if any healing takes place here, do know that I'm first in line.

As an able minister of the Gospel it is always my job to edify believers with at least reminders (if not actual insight) into the power and authority we all have in Christ Jesus our Lord. This venue is a little different, in that everyone here is rock-solid in their relationship with the Lord so we are all peers in that way. It is with this respect that I submit:

In various ways, the wonderful women here have expressed fear of being in a relationship due to being compared to every other woman a man has been with, who has a heart like swiss cheese as a result. (Guys, keep reading cuz we have a role here too) And I can certainly understand how that wouldn't be very appealing! Something of prime importance is missing from that perspective; quite a few things, actually.

First of all, if any of those people were "all that," the person you (hypothetically) find yourself with wouldn't be available in the first place. While that may be obvious, it cannot be over-emphasized.

Second of all, you love the Lord, He knows you, and you contain treasure in your earthen vessel. In the right environment that treasure doesn't ever grow old, but only grows brighter and brighter! Is that "right environment" based on a relationship with a fellow human? Is an intimate relationship with someone of the opposite sex even part of that equation? These difficult questions we each have to answer for ourselves, but in order for any such relationship to be healthy, you can't approach it with the type of fear I'm trying to shed some light on here.

The way to beat that fear is perfectly natural, for both parties. As a woman, you need to recognize your worth and ability to absolutely 'blow the doors off' anyone your guy has ever been with, in any respect. Everyone here has already learned how to be direct and honest, and how to experience and share love. Real love, that only comes from God Himself! Yes, the old "His Grace is sufficient for us" applies here as well. (And in good taste I will leave it at that, simply stating that it does apply in every area of life in which He can pour out His Blessing)

In a healthy relationship a woman's self-esteem and confidence will skyrocket, and not only will she feel empowered and liberated, she'll actually be more powerful. Such things are healthy and natural, making my definition here a tautology.

In that environment, it's pretty much an automatic thing for a man to hit peak motivation; and while that may sound good on the surface, that's usually where troubles spring up. A little direction here and there from a woman's perspective is very much in order. You need to respect your own ability to "fill in the holes" that were formerly swiss cheese, and enjoy your ability to erase the past from his mind, presenting hope for the future. Every woman here has already proven herself to be amazing in her own right, and it's not at all prideful to appreciate that within yourself. In fact, to deny it is false humility.

Right now the man's role in this is so obvious to me it seems ludicrous to even state it, but I suspect the other people here will come up with things I don't see.

Thoughts?
 
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Hmmmm....nice post!

What I think ATM is that men are very visual creatures by nature and while I am confident in my ability to be a great mate, and am working on the physical, that aspect is a hard one to overcome. Especially given what we are subjected to in society via TV, the internet, movies etc., if we are not supermodel types (but want to be ;)) and we know that guys like beautiful on the outside people, it is a difficult thing to overcome.

My fears aren't really so much the above, or lack of confidence. Mine are more on trusting someone I might meet.

Also further realizing that what fear is essentially is

F alse

E vidence

A ppearing

R eal

Not sure if you were trying to go a different direction but that was my thoughts after reading your post.
 
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Also further realizing that what fear is essentially is[/COLOR][/I]

F alse

E vidence

A ppearing

R eal

Not sure if you were trying to go a different direction but that was my thoughts after reading your post.

:thumbsup: Thanks for your contribution; very empowering stuff!
 
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Sometimes we want to be found (may be me) but fear being found. Would it be like all other times - He sees me, but She looks better or was I actually dreaming he saw me cause he married her. Do they actually see me cause they make funny signs but never talk. Never really understood that.
 
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I really agree with the 1sst comment raze made .. "some of the best fellowship I've ever experienced online. The level of sharing that takes place is intensely honest, real, and on a very gut level. That makes things very meaningful." That's why I'm here and that's why I post comments and try to put the real me into and that have some substance to them.

The fear things I can't relate to personally. I'm much bolder now than I was when I was younger. Do woman have fear? It has been clear to me that most women my age can't live as bold as I do. I assume that is their nature and what they have learned from the experiences in their life. Maybe its fear ... maybe its how women are. I've got the clear idea from 2 of the 3 longer relationships I've had. That women my age are not ready to not be out there as much as they were willing to be when they were younger. While I'm willing to go against the grain more. I'd still like to travel the world more. I'd still like to hike to the wilder places. I still want a sexual adventure. I want to go places and meet new people (men and women), talk to them about their life.

Well, we are who we are ... the 1st step is to accept the other person for who they are. Some can't even do that. The next step is were It appears to me to get harder. Does who we are determine what a person we are close friends with has to be like? For many it appears to me that that is true. But then we are asking them to change. When the close friend starts to not feel the 1st step wasn't so real after all. Probably more true of my limited male/female relationships.
 
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Well to dayhiker,
IMO, at least for me and some of my friends, we sometimes get bolder as we get older (hey that rhymes ;)). I am not afraid of making a fool out of myself, can easily laugh at myself (and others ;)) and if I had more money I would be much more adventurous. I'm a spontaneous type and I would love it, to just be able to say, you know what? I'm gonna go XXX this weekend!
I think where it becomes difficult is in the friendships with the opposite sex. I mean I have no problems being friends with mostly anyone, but first off, I don't know alot of single men my age and my leeriness of meeting some potential creep does worry me some.

Also when you said "the first step is" and then you went on to say "accept the other person for who they are" my thought was, no....that's not the first step. The first step would be accepting who WE are in Christ and what HE thinks of us, because when we do THAT, then we become much more tolerable of others that differ from us and can actually embrace and appreciate their difference. Just a thought. Carry on :cool:
 
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Ya, Michelle,
You have a great attitude about every, expect that one you mentioned. That there is a creep that you will bump into if you date. And ya, you probably would if you dated much. I, also, suspect you would figure out pretty quickly how to deal with them.

The accept who are are in my mind is the same thing as accepting who I am in Christ. I think that teaching about who we are in Christ can go both ways as far as tolerance is concern. I've read good intention books about who men and women are in Christ. Something I really like. One book had men as adventurous. I really liked that half of the book. The end part was that men should be a knight in shinging armor for their wife. ... I'm thinking, I have no desire and would dislike being a knight in shining armor even in its metaphoric sense. I'm so bad a physical confrontations/fighting that I just can't go there. My last GF didn't like it one bit when I said that! I guess some people fit those teachings, but I at best just fit a few ideas they put forth.
 
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my thought was, no....that's not the first step. The first step would be accepting who WE are in Christ and what HE thinks of us, because when we do THAT, then we become much more tolerable of others that differ from us and can actually embrace and appreciate their difference.

:thumbsup: :amen:
 
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Well here's a concept I'd love to hear women's perspectives on


Well I don't know about the shining armor part, that would be pretty hot especially in the summer heat where I live (AZ) :p. But lets face it, men are built with different gifts, strengths, etc than woman. So in that respect I would say, yes I would like to feel that my mate would at least try to provide for and protect me and our family. When my husband was alive, he always made me feel safe because he was a strong man. I don't necessarily mean strong in just physical, he was, but he was no Hulk or body builder. But he was (or at least acted like) he was fearless. So, like when we lived in WA and got snowed in with no power, he moved into action to make sure we were safe and would have water and could heat up water (with our camping equipment) and found someone to plow us out. And once when we were just dating, some guy made a snide remark about me while we were shopping and he just went up to the guy and confronted him. So anyway, I just "felt" safer when he was here. Now I have to figure things out for myself and even though I am able and capable of doing alot of things, some things are just better done by men. BUT....I am VERY thankful to God that He gave me TWO sons, that hopefully will help me when I need it as they grow up. My just turned 18 year old help me get a dead palm tree out of the ground when I could not. I THOUGHT I could but after digging 2 feet down all the way around it was still not budging. Thankfully my son came to my rescue (granted I paid him 20 bucks which was the motivating factor) but otherwise I would have had to pay somebody so...
 
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I once read that a wife needs to know that her husband will stand in between her and whatever blow .... comes her way. I don't remember the full sentence. However, I am certain no wife would not want the husband ducking out of the way so she receives the blow instead. It is not all about Sir Lancelot. Sometimes it includes just small things like not putting her down in public.
 
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I'm thinking, I have no desire and would dislike being a knight in shining armor even in its metaphoric sense. I'm so bad a physical confrontations/fighting that I just can't go there. My last GF didn't like it one bit when I said that! I guess some people fit those teachings, but I at best just fit a few ideas they put forth.

I think if I had exactly what I wanted, I would want a man who 'could' be my knight in shining armor if I needed one. I would like someone who wants to take care of me. Not necessarily saying I need someone to take care of me but it would be nice to have someone that wanted to do so you know?

My fears are that I will make another long-term mistake. I knew my ex since I was 13. We dated twice when I was an older teenager and I got married at 21. He came from a good family. He was a church-goer. There were a couple of red flags but I chose to ignore them. I'm older now so I don't think I would ignore any red flags. However, the pickings are a lot slimmer now than when I was a teenager. :sorry: Plus I don't want to date around - I think I get too emotionally involved (a woman thing?). I don't care anything about getting involved with someone and then it not working out. I've had enough turmoil to last my lifetime. So what I would like is a pal of the opposite sex. ^_^
 
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yup, so we see that this is an area that I don't do so well in. Ya, I can stand in there, and can do pretty good about taking the emotion out of situations. But if its a battle of the wills. I just don't want to go there. And physical, I'm like let me get out of here. From the time I was a kid, the thing that always made the most sense to me was to run away when a fight was coming. That's from a guy who could take all the Marines thru at me for 4 yrs. One of the 17 out of 75 Marine recruits who got thru boot came without falling out of the platoon. But when we were suppose to yell, Kill kill kill, I didn't say it.
 
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yup, so we see that this is an area that I don't do so well in. Ya, I can stand in there, and can do pretty good about taking the emotion out of situations. But if its a battle of the wills. I just don't want to go there. And physical, I'm like let me get out of here. From the time I was a kid, the thing that always made the most sense to me was to run away when a fight was coming. That's from a guy who could take all the Marines thru at me for 4 yrs. One of the 17 out of 75 Marine recruits who got thru boot came without falling out of the platoon. But when we were suppose to yell, Kill kill kill, I didn't say it.

Sometimes it is not about a physical fight. Well, at least I think so. I don't get to see such things happen anyway. I'm too much of a homebody so you can always be you and a knight without a physical fight with some guy. Dragon slaying comes in so many forms.
 
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Run to Jesus,
Ya, I can do some of the knight in shining armor thing I guess. But I just don't like me in that image. But it is a powerful image in our society for girls because Disney etc. I can certainly see why girls like that image.
 
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So if a women says lets just be friends, is she willing to become my wingman ... err wing woman to find my next GF? :)

^_^ Not the direction I expected this thread to go ^_^ IIRC, somebody already said she would? (Different thread, but this sub-forum, I'm thinking)
 
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