Common designer versus design standards?

[Belk]

How would you suggest that I prove that something that is Spirit exists? No DNA, no mass, etc.

Build a spirit detector?

 

[HitchSlap]

As I said, we are at an impasse.

"What can be asserted without evidence, can be dismissed without evidence."

 

[AV1611VET]

Build a spirit detector?

Science is too myopic to do that.

As I'm fond of saying:

When science can build a machine that can do this ...

2 Kings 6:17 And Elisha prayed, and said, LORD, I pray thee, open his eyes, that he may see. And the LORD opened the eyes of the young man; and he saw: and, behold, the mountain was full of horses and chariots of fire round about Elisha.

... then they can talk and I'll listen.

 

[Belk]

Science is too myopic to do that.

As I'm fond of saying:

When science can build a machine that can do this ...

2 Kings 6:17 And Elisha prayed, and said, LORD, I pray thee, open his eyes, that he may see. And the LORD opened the eyes of the young man; and he saw: and, behold, the mountain was full of horses and chariots of fire round about Elisha.

... then they can talk and I'll listen.

I don't believe that to be true.

 

[HitchSlap]

Science is too myopic to do that.

As I'm fond of saying:

When science can build a machine that can do this ...

2 Kings 6:17 And Elisha prayed, and said, LORD, I pray thee, open his eyes, that he may see. And the LORD opened the eyes of the young man; and he saw: and, behold, the mountain was full of horses and chariots of fire round about Elisha.

... then they can talk and I'll listen.

Using "myopic" to describe the limits of reality, is quaint.

 

[Hank77]

I don't believe that to be true.

Neither do I.

 

[PsychoSarah]

As I said, we are at an impasse.

I said it wasn't my job, but tried to be helpful anyways, so why did you cut out the majority of my post to make it look like I did the exact same thing as Hitchslap?

 

[Hank77]

I said it wasn't my job, but tried to be helpful anyways, so why did you cut out the majority of my post to make it look like I did the exact same thing as Hitchslap?

Because that isn't anything I could say that would cause you to change your mind.
We are at an impasse.

 

[HitchSlap]

Because that isn't anything I could say that would cause you to change your mind.
We are at an impasse.

Evidence would change my mind.

 

[AV1611VET]

I don't believe that to be true.

I'll listen ... to a point.

Using "myopic" to describe the limits of reality, is quaint.

Can you think of a better word?

"Blind" comes to mind, and is actually more Biblical.

 

[DogmaHunter]

Pitabread used html as a common standard for web design which is fine but that standard had to comply with standards that came before it or it wouldn't work.

His point of bringing it up, was to show that a "single" design standard doesn't necessarily also mean that only "one" designer is responsible for all designs that used that single standard.

Which is exactly what creationists / id folks are saying: common design = common designer.

I said you need not to be concerned...if you choose to that is fine, you just sounded rather stressed?

I get to choose what I concern myself with and what not on a public platform. I don't need you to tell me what I need and needn't do.

Can you categorically say that there is not a single designer of the DNA molecule or the coding/sequencing in DNA?

The "coding/sequence" in DNA is the result of the evolutionary process.
That's what the evidence shows.

There is no evidence of any designer(s).

Do you want to prove that there is not one designer and if so why?

Don't ask me to prove a negative.
It's upto those claiming there is a designer, that have the burden of proof.

 

[DogmaHunter]

I know you would. But seeing that you are the smarter people you would think that you could prove one doesn't. When you are asked to do that you will claim that isn't the purpose of science.
So appears to me that we are at an impasse, you can't disprove and I can't prove one designer.

But you are the one that's making the claim.
The burden of proof is on you.

 

[DogmaHunter]

How would you suggest that I prove that something that is Spirit exists? No DNA, no mass, etc.

If you can't tell the difference between a "spirit" that exists and one that does not exist...
Then how did you conclude that "spirit" exists?

 

[DogmaHunter]

Because that isn't anything I could say that would cause you to change your mind.
We are at an impasse.

Evidence would change our minds.
The fact that you can't "say anything to change our mind", is your problem in this case... not ours.

 

[tas8831]

Science is too myopic to do that.

As I'm fond of saying:

When science can build a machine that can do this ...

2 Kings 6:17 And Elisha prayed, and said, LORD, I pray thee, open his eyes, that he may see. And the LORD opened the eyes of the young man; and he saw: and, behold, the mountain was full of horses and chariots of fire round about Elisha.

... then they can talk and I'll listen.

When the religious can show that such events actually happened, I will listen to them.

 

[AV1611VET]

When the religious can show that such events actually happened, I will listen to them.

450 religious men died during such a demonstration.

Are you willing to take that chance?

 

[tas8831]

450 religious men died during such a demonstration.

Are you willing to take that chance?

Take what chance?

That you might one day actually support one of your assertions?

Sure - no skin off my back.

Is it your position because someone is crazy enough to die for something, that the something must be true?

That is silly.

 

[AV1611VET]

Take what chance?

That you might one day actually support one of your assertions?

Sure - no skin off my back.

Don't worry ... the Calvary is on Its way.

 

[AV1611VET]

Is it your position because someone is crazy enough to die for something, that the something must be true?

It was a reference to Elijah versus the prophets of Baal: a classic OT showdown.

 

[tas8831]

It was a reference to Elijah versus the prophets of Baal: a classic OT showdown.

Great, but so what?

Lots of ancient tall tales reference battles and murder and mayhem.