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Common designer versus design standards?

pitabread

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Something I've never understood is the creationist/ID insistence that similarities = common design = common designer.

It seems like a giant leap from each point to the next, especially when we know in human design and manufacture that similarities do not always point to the same designer. This is especially evident when it comes to design standards; namely a common standard that is used by multiple, independent designers.

A perfect example are web sites. There are thousands of web designers around the world creating all manner of web pages we browse on a daily basis. Yet, if you peel back the layer and look at the underlying code, you'll see that a common language is used (HTML - Hypertext Markup Language).

For example, if I look at the code for this very web page I am typing on as we speak, I can see things like <script> tags, <body> tags, <div> tags, etc. If I jump to another site, say the BBC news or Reddit or YouTube, I'll see a lot of the same sort of code. There is a basic common thread running through all these different web sites.

Now does this means the exact same person built all these sites? Of course not. Rather it was independent designers all using a common standard.

My question to creationists/ID proponents is if there is an insistence that utilization of DNA points to a "common design" how do you know it's still not the result of independent designers adhering to a common standard? How would you ever tell that there is only one designer?
 

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Yet, if you peel back the layer and look at the underlying code, you'll see that a common language is used (HTML - Hypertext Markup Language).
Where did the common language come from?
 
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The current standards are published by an international consortium, the W3C.
That is not the point. The point is that someone had to have created the first computer language that all other languages and standards came from.
 
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That is not the point. The point is that someone had to have created the first computer language that all other languages and standards came from.

Which is entirely besides the point of the OP*, which is that there is a common standard used by independent designers. The question is how would you distinguish between a singular designer and a group of designers applying a common standard.

Do you have an answer for that?

(* Especially since that a playing the reductionist game isn't going to get very far as you can keep cycling backwards even further, into the origin of language itself. And I doubt you'll be find a definitive answer for the inventor of human language.).
 
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I don't believe the question has been seriously considered by ID proponents, since ID was never really meant to be anything more than a Trojan Horse for biblical creationism.
 
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I don't believe the question has been seriously considered by ID proponents, since ID was never really meant to be anything more than a Trojan Horse for biblical creationism.

Yes, some questions are to be avoided, at all costs.
 
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Cool.

That will get each person, whatever end result that suits them.

Would you agree that there is more agreement among creationists than evolutionists?
 
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Would you agree that there is more agreement among creationists than evolutionists?
It depends on how you define "creationists," but even amongst biblical creationists there is considerable disagreement. Just observe the posts of our colleagues Aman or Justathruthseeker, for instance. On the whole, I would say that evolutionists are more uniform in their opinions, the minor disagreements which creationists attempt to blow up out of all proportion for propaganda purposes notwithstanding.
 
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Definitely not.

Creationist generally agree that they don't know how God created stuff. Evolutionists have many different opinions.
 
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Creationist generally agree that they don't know how God created stuff. Evolutionists have many different opinions.
How so? There is only one theory of evolution and widespread agreement amongst evolutionists about it.
 
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What kind of math do you use, to come up with these odds?

The military uses spiritual math as well, especially the army. Nutritionista's don't understand how soldiers can do rigorous activity for 5 hours on two eggs and two pieces of toast. There aren't enough calories in that breakfast meal to do what they do.
 
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