Common ancestor between chimps and humans

[Loudmouth]

It is because Noah's grandsons, like Cain on Adam's Earth, had NO other Humans to marry. They married and produced children Gen 6:4 with the sons of God (prehistoric) people who were already here when Noah arrived on Planet Earth some 11k years ago. That is when and how our Human genes were mixed with the DNA and ERVs of the common ancestor of Apes.

History recorded this arrival of the FIRST farmers, city builders with ALL of the traits of modern Humans (descendants of Adam). http://www.fsmitha.com/h1/map00-fc.html

That is the Truth of Scripture AND History which NO Evolutionist can refute. Amen?

All claims backed by zero scientific evidence. We don't need to refute empty assertions.

 

[DogmaHunter]

To be fair, I have always found this to be poor evidence. Even if humans and apes were separately created, it is still possible that the chromosomal fusion occurred in the human lineage after the first humans were created, and that fusion became fixed in the population. The accumulation of mutations in the old centromere would be decent evidence showing how long it has been since the fusion, but the fusion itself is rather poor evidence, IMHO.

If when pulled apart at the fusion site, it matches with the chromosomes of chimps, I'ld say that it is pretty decent supportive evidence of common ancestry.

It didn't have to match if no evolution took place. But it does match.

At the very least, these split chromosomes matching with the ones in chimps that we "seem to be missing", would be exactly what we would expect if evolution is true, right?

I agree though that the hierarchical nature of genomes overall and ERV's and such provide a much stronger case overall by themselves, but still...

 

[Loudmouth]

If when pulled apart at the fusion site, it matches with the chromosomes of chimps, I'ld say that it is pretty decent supportive evidence of common ancestry.

All it shows is that the fusion occurred in the human lineage at some point. It doesn't require common ancestry, per se. It would be better evidence if chimps and humans had 23 pair with the same pseudo-centromeres at the same locations while gorillas and orangutans had 24 pair.

At the very least, these split chromosomes matching with the ones in chimps that we "seem to be missing", would be exactly what we would expect if evolution is true, right?

It doesn't require common ancestry. You could have separately created humans with a fusion event early in human history. This would also produce a centromere in the arm of chromosome 2.

I agree though that the hierarchical nature of genomes overall and ERV's and such provide a much stronger case overall by themselves, but still...

Finding genetic markers that we share with other apes is much stronger evidence than human specific genetic markers, IMHO.

 

[Aman777]

All claims backed by zero scientific evidence. We don't need to refute empty assertions.

I've told you before so I will refresh your memory.

Aman777 said: ↑
It is because Noah's grandsons, like Cain on Adam's Earth, had NO other Humans to marry. They married and produced children Gen 6:4 with the sons of God (prehistoric) people who were already here when Noah arrived on Planet Earth some 11k years ago. That is when and how our Human genes were mixed with the DNA and ERVs of the common ancestor of Apes.

The sons of God (prehistoric people's) bones have been found on our Planet for Millions of years. In fact, for 99% of the time since prehistoric people diverged from Chimps, they NEVER farmed, built a city, nor showed ANY traits of the descendants of Adam (Humans) on Adam's Earth. Genesis 4 shows that Cain's descendants had inherited Adam's superior intelligence, which is like God's intelligence Gen 3:22 and superior to ANY other living creature. Scripture and today's Science Agree.

>>>History recorded this arrival of the FIRST farmers, city builders with ALL of the traits of modern Humans (descendants of Adam).http://www.fsmitha.com/h1/map00-fc.html

That is the Truth of Scripture AND History which NO Evolutionist can refute. Amen?

I noticed that you IGNORED the empirical historic scientific evidence of the arrival of Noah, bringing Adam's superior intelligence to this planet of prehistoric people who evolved from the common ancestor of Apes. The superior intelligence of Humans (descendants of Adam) has SUDDENLY produced Human civilization all over the face of this Earth from Babel Gen 11:9 where the Lord Jesus scattered Humankind all over the Earth. It all has happened in less than 1% of the time since prehistoric people diverged from Chimps and NO Evolutionist noticed.

WHY does Godless Evolutionism IGNORE the empirical (testable scientific) evidence of History? Is it because it reveals that the ToE is totally false? Of course it is. God Bless you

 

[Loudmouth]

I've told you before so I will refresh your memory.

And I have told you before that empty assertions are not evidence. Simply repeating scripture is not evidence.

Aman777 said: ↑
It is because Noah's grandsons, like Cain on Adam's Earth, had NO other Humans to marry. They married and produced children Gen 6:4 with the sons of God (prehistoric) people who were already here when Noah arrived on Planet Earth some 11k years ago. That is when and how our Human genes were mixed with the DNA and ERVs of the common ancestor of Apes.

That is a claim, not evidence.

The sons of God (prehistoric people's) bones have been found on our Planet for Millions of years. In fact, for 99% of the time since prehistoric people diverged from Chimps, they NEVER farmed, built a city, nor showed ANY traits of the descendants of Adam (Humans) on Adam's Earth. Genesis 4 shows that Cain's descendants had inherited Adam's superior intelligence, which is like God's intelligence Gen 3:22 and superior to ANY other living creature. Scripture and today's Science Agree.

Those are claims, not evidence.

Need I go on? Do you know how to tell the difference between claims and evidence?

If the Bible is supported by independent scientific evidence, then you should be able to discuss the evidence without quoting a single scripture or referring to a single part of the Bible. Why don't you try that?

 

[justlookinla]

Shouldn't it read "The ALLEGED Common Ancestor Between Chimps and Humans"?

 

[Aman777]

And I have told you before that empty assertions are not evidence. Simply repeating scripture is not evidence.

That is a claim, not evidence.

Those are claims, not evidence.

Need I go on? Do you know how to tell the difference between claims and evidence?

If the Bible is supported by independent scientific evidence, then you should be able to discuss the evidence without quoting a single scripture or referring to a single part of the Bible. Why don't you try that?

Why? Is it because Evolutionists won't discuss the AGREEMENT of Scripture Science and History because it destroys some of their False Theories? Of course it is. You're not fooling anyone. The agreement with every other discovered Truth is found in Genesis and that just seems to scare Evolutionists to death. Do you think they can handle the Truth? Amen?

 

[Loudmouth]

Why? Is it because Evolutionists won't discuss the AGREEMENT of Scripture Science and History because it destroys some of their False Theories?

What science?

 

[Aman777]

Shouldn't it read "The ALLEGED Common Ancestor Between Chimps and Humans"?

No, and I didn't say that since the common ancestor of Apes is the ancestor of Chimps and prehistoric people, called the sons of God in the Bible. Human blood was contaminated with the DNA and ERVs of the common ancestor of Apes when Noah's grandsons married and produce children with the descendants of prehistoric people. Today's 7 Billion Humans (descendants of Adam) alive today have INHERITED Adam's superior intelligence but inside us are the genetics of the sons of God (prehistoric people). That's God's Literal Truth. God Bless you

 

[JonFromMinnesota]

It is because Noah's grandsons, like Cain on Adam's Earth, had NO other Humans to marry. They married and produced children Gen 6:4 with the sons of God (prehistoric) people who were already here when Noah arrived on Planet Earth some 11k years ago. That is when and how our Human genes were mixed with the DNA and ERVs of the common ancestor of Apes.

History recorded this arrival of the FIRST farmers, city builders with ALL of the traits of modern Humans (descendants of Adam). http://www.fsmitha.com/h1/map00-fc.html

That is the Truth of Scripture AND History which NO Evolutionist can refute. Amen?

The common ancestor of chimps and humans lived about 6 million years ago. I don't know why you keep using this argument. You provide no evidence for it.

 

[Loudmouth]

Human blood was contaminated with the DNA and ERVs of the common ancestor of Apes when Noah's grandsons married and produce children with the descendants of prehistoric people.

Let's start there. Where is the scientific evidence for the existence of Noah and who his descendants married?

 

[DogmaHunter]

All it shows is that the fusion occurred in the human lineage at some point. It doesn't require common ancestry, per se. It would be better evidence if chimps and humans had 23 pair with the same pseudo-centromeres at the same locations while gorillas and orangutans had 24 pair.

True.

It doesn't require common ancestry. You could have separately created humans with a fusion event early in human history. This would also produce a centromere in the arm of chromosome 2.

I agree the fusion by itself doesn't require common ancestry.
But if we are to entertain the idea of common ancestry and then look at the chromosome count of the great apes, we'ld have to ask the question of why we are "missing" one and where it went. It would require an explanation.

Identification of the chromosomal fusion and the fusion site, as well as the match with the "missing" chromosome (including the markers therein), most certainly provides that explanation. An explanation which is perfectly consistent with evolution.

I get what you're saying though.

 

[Goatee]

When i met my future in laws for the very first time i thought i had discovered the missing link!! lol

 

[Aman777]

What science?

The incomplete Theory of Evolution which CANNOT tell us When the prehistoric people of this Earth INHERITED Adam's superior intelligence which is like God's. Gen 3:22

Occam's Razor slices up the False ToE since it skipped the Truth, that in order to have the superior intelligence of Humans, you MUST inherit it, since Mindless Nature does NOT implant superior intelligence in Apes nor ANY other creature. That is a Fairy Tale caused by REJECTING God's Truth of the Flood. Amen?

 

[Loudmouth]

The incomplete Theory of Evolution which CANNOT tell us When the prehistoric people of this Earth INHERITED Adam's superior intelligence which is like God's. Gen 3:22

Where is the scientific evidence for the existence of Adam?

If there is no evidence for Adam, why would science need to tell us anything about Adam?

Occam's Razor slices up the False ToE since it skipped the Truth, that in order to have the superior intelligence of Humans, you MUST inherit it, since Mindless Nature does NOT implant superior intelligence in Apes nor ANY other creature. That is a Fairy Tale caused by REJECTING God's Truth of the Flood. Amen?

Where is the science demonstrating that the process of evolution can not produce intelligence?

 

[Aman777]

1. Where is the scientific evidence for the existence of Adam?

2. If there is no evidence for Adam, why would science need to tell us anything about Adam?

3. Where is the science demonstrating that the process of evolution can not produce intelligence?

1. Inside everyone who posts since ONLY Humans (descendants of Adam) have the intelligence necessary to post.
2. It's because Mindless Evolution is a made up story which has REJECTED God's Truth of the Flood which shows that Humans were NOT made on Planet Earth.
3. A concept or Theory cannot produce anything. What you refer to as evolution is nothing more than changes with His and Their kinds. Notice that this means that there were TWO creations. Amen?

 

[loveofourlord]

While chimps may have an alleged 98% percent of our DNA, it is also true that our craniums are extraordinarily different. The circuits of our brains, you see, seem to have have evolved rapidly in a very, prohibitively short time- science has no reasonable theory for that that makes any rational sense whatsoever, so let chimps have 98% of our DNA, or even 99.5..

ummm actually we do, one of the proteins that apes have that gives their jaw strength so much power is broken in humans, it strengthens the muscle that goes over the top of the head, this muscle without that gene is not as strong allowing the human brain to grow bigger and allow us speach as we have more freedom of movement. That one gene plays a huge part of our brain.

And there is nothing prohibative about how fast we evolved, with the right pressure things will evolve faster, you seem to be parroting claims while knowing nothing of the subject.

 

[loveofourlord]

It is because Noah's grandsons, like Cain on Adam's Earth, had NO other Humans to marry. They married and produced children Gen 6:4 with the sons of God (prehistoric) people who were already here when Noah arrived on Planet Earth some 11k years ago. That is when and how our Human genes were mixed with the DNA and ERVs of the common ancestor of Apes.

History recorded this arrival of the FIRST farmers, city builders with ALL of the traits of modern Humans (descendants of Adam). http://www.fsmitha.com/h1/map00-fc.html

That is the Truth of Scripture AND History which NO Evolutionist can refute. Amen?

Well since 0 evidence the flood ever happened, and you have nothing to back up your claim, or the other thousands of wildly inconsistent and unrelated claims creationists make, aserting things without evidence is not evidence science or anyone should take seriously.

 

[Loudmouth]

1. Inside everyone who posts since ONLY Humans (descendants of Adam) have the intelligence necessary to post.

Where is the scientific evidence that this intelligence came from Adam?

2. It's because Mindless Evolution is a made up story which has REJECTED God's Truth of the Flood which shows that Humans were NOT made on Planet Earth.

What evidence has science rejected?

3. A concept or Theory cannot produce anything. What you refer to as evolution is nothing more than changes with His and Their kinds. Notice that this means that there were TWO creations. Amen?

Where is the evidence for these claims?

 

[Aman777]

1. Where is the scientific evidence for the existence of Adam?

2. If there is no evidence for Adam, why would science need to tell us anything about Adam?

3. Where is the science demonstrating that the process of evolution can not produce intelligence?

1. It's inside the 7 Billion Humans (descendants of Adam) alive today. They inherited Adam's superior intelligence which is like God's Gen 3:22 and which is higher than ANY living creature whose origin was in the water on the 5th Day Gen 1:21 which began some 3.77 Billion years ago in man's time at God's command. Gen 1:20

2. Because Adam is the common ancestor of ALL Humans and he was made with the ABILITY to know both good and evil because Humans are destined to rule Heaven. Gen 1:28 Knowing this, today's students would have a better picture of what it means to be a Human and NOT the descendant of the common ancestor of Apes, which is totally False.

3. That's the point. Humans are born with Adam's ability to learn. That is because Adam was FIRST made on the 3rd Day Gen 2:4-7 which was more than 10 Billion years, in man's time, Before prehistoric people evolved from water. This gives mankind FIRST place among all other living creatures. Humans are a Special Creation, made with a mind like God's Gen 3:22 instead of an Ape's level of intelligence. God Bless you