Coming Back to WoF After A Long Absence

Messa said:

(The family has since drifted off to The Secret.)

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So not grounded plus dealing with problems and not having satisfactory answers...Then I got the internet and found the anti-WoF sites saying Kenyon influenced everyone, and he was actually some metaphysical nut. I think it was through lurking here I saw someone mention Joe McIntyre's E.W. Kenyon and His Message of Faith: The True Story book. I have been reading it and have been relieved to find out that he wasn't a metaphysical nut. It was a bit disappointing to see I had swallowed unsubstantiated hearsay and let it derail my life for so long, but it's time to get up and get going again.

Anyhow, I'm looking forward to discussing and learning much here. I have found the posts suggested teachers, teachings, and books to be very helpful.

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Messa said:

Well, when God owns every cattle, bird, and creature, and we don't...It's hard to comprehend! We worry about what we have and what we need/want, but God sees this world so differently than we do. He has a vision that we don't have, so it's important to realize maybe we need to leave some room for different opportunities.

Every creature in the forest,
even the cattle on a thousand hills, is mine.
I know every bird in the mountains.
Everything that moves in the fields is mine.
Psalm 50:9-11 GW

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Razare said:

That's sad. I studied "The Secret" before I was a Christian. I soon realized it was true. And then I would never practice it because I could see how evil it was.

It's essentially going after the desire in our heart. But if that desire is evil? Then basically you're praying for the evil locked away in our heart to be fulfilled. It will destroy our life if those ambitions come to pass from our heart, and we'll yield a crop of death and destruction in our life.

I had a wrong prayer answered before I was a Christian. I prayed, and it was a bad prayer, and the devil answered it. Nearly killed me.

We're blessed if a bad prayer doesn't get answered.



Andrew Wommack is my favorite instructor.

I think the biggest problem with the WoF, at least for me, is they failed to minister to me enough about believing in our heart. In how they teach, it comes across to me quite often if we just confess past our unbelief it will work out, and I think there is a truth to that, but I just take it too far. I can confess like it is OCD. I'll confess and confess, and see diddly squat for results because I'm bound up in fear and confess for the wrong reasons.

Confessing for the right motives is equally important as what we're confessing... for the word confessed vainly, is vain.

A lot of them are also stuck on about believing for jets. I am not in unbelief concerning prosperity, and so I have thought about this a great deal. Then I realized, "God would certainly want us to have our own airplanes, for he has given us all things." But then I realized if we got to confess for stuff, there's better things than airplanes.

Maybe God has spoken that to some of them as a demonstration for us as to how big we can believe. But I was confessing for a few million dollars so I could give it away. And then a spirit came to me quoting me a prophecy of some several million I would get. And then I'm like, "It's not enough, I'm richer than that."

What I'm saying is, there are a lot of things to confess, but some things we can confess aren't good because they limit God, or they're not what God wants for us. I think WoF misses this sometimes in terms of having correct motives for what we confess.

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Razare said:

That's sad. I studied "The Secret" before I was a Christian. I soon realized it was true. And then I would never practice it because I could see how evil it was.

It's essentially going after the desire in our heart. But if that desire is evil? Then basically you're praying for the evil locked away in our heart to be fulfilled. It will destroy our life if those ambitions come to pass from our heart, and we'll yield a crop of death and destruction in our life.

I had a wrong prayer answered before I was a Christian.

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Messa said:

I thought I would post an introductory post of sorts here too. I have been lurking lately because I have been getting back into the swing of things with Word of Faith.

I was introduced to it back in August 1994 via Andrew Wommack's tapes. (He was on the only radio station we could pick up while driving through mountains. ha!) I don't think I ever got truly grounded in the basics of the teachings even though I heard many many messages (Wommack, Copeland, Duplantis, Yandian, Capps, etc; attended Mark Crow's church for awhile). It was mainly something my family got into, and their focus was more on 'getting' than 'getting grounded', if you know what I mean. (The family has since drifted off to The Secret.)

So not grounded plus dealing with problems and not having satisfactory answers...Then I got the internet and found the anti-WoF sites saying Kenyon influenced everyone, and he was actually some metaphysical nut. I think it was through lurking here I saw someone mention Joe McIntyre's E.W. Kenyon and His Message of Faith: The True Story book. I have been reading it and have been relieved to find out that he wasn't a metaphysical nut. It was a bit disappointing to see I had swallowed unsubstantiated hearsay and let it derail my life for so long, but it's time to get up and get going again.

Anyhow, I'm looking forward to discussing and learning much here. I have found the posts suggested teachers, teachings, and books to be very helpful.

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Messa said:

I meant that we get locked into option A or option B (should I live here? or there? etc) when there may be something entirely different than may be much better. I think Andrew talked about that with the guy who asked God if Bible college A or Bible college B were better when really neither one was the best.

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ABlessedMan said:

Ahh. Got it. I may have been reading more into the post than was meant.

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Razare said:

That's sad. I studied "The Secret" before I was a Christian. I soon realized it was true. And then I would never practice it because I could see how evil it was.

It's essentially going after the desire in our heart. But if that desire is evil? Then basically you're praying for the evil locked away in our heart to be fulfilled. It will destroy our life if those ambitions come to pass from our heart, and we'll yield a crop of death and destruction in our life.

I had a wrong prayer answered before I was a Christian. I prayed, and it was a bad prayer, and the devil answered it. Nearly killed me.

We're blessed if a bad prayer doesn't get answered.



Andrew Wommack is my favorite instructor.

I think the biggest problem with the WoF, at least for me, is they failed to minister to me enough about believing in our heart. In how they teach, it comes across to me quite often if we just confess past our unbelief it will work out, and I think there is a truth to that, but I just take it too far. I can confess like it is OCD. I'll confess and confess, and see diddly squat for results because I'm bound up in fear and confess for the wrong reasons.

Confessing for the right motives is equally important as what we're confessing... for the word confessed vainly, is vain.

A lot of them are also stuck on about believing for jets. I am not in unbelief concerning prosperity, and so I have thought about this a great deal. Then I realized, "God would certainly want us to have our own airplanes, for he has given us all things." But then I realized if we got to confess for stuff, there's better things than airplanes.

Maybe God has spoken that to some of them as a demonstration for us as to how big we can believe. But I was confessing for a few million dollars so I could give it away. And then a spirit came to me quoting me a prophecy of some several million I would get. And then I'm like, "It's not enough, I'm richer than that."

What I'm saying is, there are a lot of things to confess, but some things we can confess aren't good because they limit God, or they're not what God wants for us. I think WoF misses this sometimes in terms of having correct motives for what we confess.

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