Comets/Global Flood explained

[HisMan]

Note that the article says "Organically preserved". This means that organs from the soft-bodied organisms were fossilised. It does NOT mean that organic material was found.

DID YOU EVEN READ THE ARTICLE

Or just the title!!!

That's ONE; Two: what do you think "organically preserved" means? That somebody put it in a bottle of formaldehyde?

Three: In TWO MINUTES I found 50 articles citing this study and many cite the FACT that original biological material was found.

Forth: Don't wast my time unless you spend a little of it yourself reading the full article. It says, "“The Sabellidites organic body is preserved without permineralization. Minerals have not replicated any part of the soft tissue and the carbonaceous material of the wall is primary, preserving the original layering of the wall, its texture, and fabrics.”

GET IT?

[Is there an ignore option on this forum?]

 

[AV1611VET]

[Is there an ignore option on this forum?]

Calm down, bro.

These people are marching to another drummer than we are.

For the record:

If you click on UserCP, and look down the left side, there's an Edit Ignore List option.

Hafa Adai!

 

[PsychoSarah]

Yeah, but I wouldn't recommend ignoring people. If you do and they attack your position, you're an easy target and look bad for never responding.

 

[HisMan]

Yeah, but I wouldn't recommend ignoring people. If you do and they attack your position, you're an easy target and look bad for never responding.

Thank you.

You're probably right but I just don't have time to respond to dozens and dozens of questions much less to somebody that can't read a half page article. Then there's just foolishness beyond belief. One person told me that "evolutionist" is not a word

And I'm in my 60's and couldn't care less what people I know think of me anymore much less anonymous people on the web.

 

[HisMan]

Never heard of that. Can you link to some papers detailing this? Give me a name?



I'm not a paleotologist, but my understanding is that they don't need to. Fossilization isn't a perfect process, and most bones found aren't intact. There's not need to cut them open regularly because many of them are already cut open.



Couldn't find a word on it. Can you quote from it?



Really? ALL scientists agree? I don't suppose you're going to support that clam, are you?



Those are some nice claims you have there, but a source would be nice. I'd particularly love to see where you have evidence for 'tens of millions' of multi-strata fossils.



Provide some evidence for it, then we'll talk.



I like how you put that bit in quotation marks, even though you're not actually quoting anyone. Because no one said that.

Oh, and yeah, tax dollars occasionally go to things you don't like. Welcome to life. Sorry.



I'd like to see your list of millions.

Sorry for not responding to you first but you ask a lot of questions and I've just been spending way, way too much time on this as it is.

For the 530 million year old soft tissue worm please see my reply above. I can't find much on finds before 1993 but the article I reference further references the first soft tissue find in 1927. I'll try looking for more later.

There are one-hundred million fossils that have been excavated, examined, listed and cataloged. There are also mass "graveyards" in many places around the world that have barely been touched. Google polysrtate fossils and at least try to follow the creationists view on it.

Similarly, google irreducible complexity and/or intelligent design. Something as "simple" as a knee needs not only requires numerous parts and numerous types of minerals to keep functioning as well as things that lubricate and replace worn out parts but it also requires a code for it's design, mechanisms to read that code, numerous biological machines to make parts from that which has been read, transportation systems to move those parts and now they've found that the assemblage of said parts is even more complex that DNA (though epigenetics).

Yes, scientists all agree on which layers were laid down by flowing water. You pick everything I say apart is the silliest of ways. Look it up for yourself. Like you say you're not a paleontologists. OF COURSE most bones are broken and/or too small and the parts that are exposed will fossilize quickly. You really think I was referring to those? Google mega sequence strata and there's lots about it huge, huge layers of uniform thickness. I can't find one good site with maps but if you google the same an add "photos" there's a lot there also.

 

[crazyforgod1212]

There are one-hundred million fossils that have been excavated, examined, listed and cataloged. There are also mass "graveyards" in many places around the world that have barely been touched. Google polysrtate fossils and at least try to follow the creationists view on it.

Busy, but I googled and found nothing about 'one hundred million' polystrae fossils. Where did you even get that number?

 

[Davian]

 

[ThinkForYourself]

The Global Flood was much more that just water rising. It was a massive upheaval of the earth and created many features on the earth for which secular science has no answer such as the 40,000 mile long mid-oceanic ridge, miles of sedimentary layers laid down in almost perfectly flat layers with no erosion or plant growth between these layers, and so on. When the fountains of the great deep burst forth (creating the 40,000 mile ocean ridges) it launched a massive amount of material and water into space creating what we now call comets, asteroids and meteors. God did not create a world with deadly space objects, a moon with massive impact craters nor dust and microbes that pollute outer space. That would hardly be, as God said, “very good.”

So what you are saying is that God had no idea how physics was going to affect his creation.

So, according to you, God isn't all knowing, and might just have failed physics. Is this correct?

 

[ThinkForYourself]

Pot is legal in your State, isn't it?

LOL, you're funny.

Go back and read what you wrote in your OP. You said:
God did not create a world with deadly space objects, a moon with massive impact craters nor dust and microbes that pollute outer space. That would hardly be, as God said, “very good.”

Yet you state that these came from the earth, which is God's creation.

So it follows that you are saying God didn't know what he was doing.

Don't blame me because you insulted your god.

 

[DerelictJunction]

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You're really very funny; I hope you don't get banned.

There are many Christians who agree with the theory of evolution. Does that make them evolutionists? Depends on what you mean by the term.

From: Evolutionist | Define Evolutionist at Dictionary.com

evolutionist
[ev-uh-loo-shuh-nist or, esp. British, ee-vuh-] noun
1. a person who believes in or supports a theory of evolution, especially in biology.
2. a person who supports a policy of gradual growth or development rather than sudden change or expansion.​

You appear to use it as a synonym for atheist, which it is not.

 

[HisMan]

You're really very funny; I hope you don't get banned.

There are many Christians who agree with the theory of evolution. Does that make them evolutionists? Depends on what you mean by the term.

From: Define Evolutionist at Dictionary

evolutionist
[ev-uh-loo-shuh-nist or, esp. British, ee-vuh-] noun
1. a person who believes in or supports a theory of evolution, especially in biology.
2. a person who supports a policy of gradual growth or development rather than sudden change or expansion.​

You appear to use it as a synonym for atheist, which it is not.

You missed my point; It is exactly why other people who are Christians (or call themselves so anyway) are evolutionists is why I mistook crazy for one. In other words, I could see he's probably a Christian so I assumed, mistakenly, that he was a Christian evolutionist. [And the treats to be banned for that simple mistake are nothing short of hilarious.]

In fact, I've been involved in several debates with evolutionists who accuse Creationists of saying that a person can't believe in God and be a evolutionist. It's an incredibly ignorant statement and, if you can stomach the most annoying person on the net, Aron Ra makes that "argument" on youtube. In one debate with that total loser it was explained very clearly that Creationists DO NOT say that and it wasn't two minutes later he accused the person explaining it to him that he "just said it." And this moron has over a million followers---evolutionists of course. [And, please....., I'm not saying that there may be examples of Christians who do imply that but Aron Ra accuses Creationists leaders like Ken Ham of saying it.]

My point, also, is that "evolutionist" is obviously a word. I could care less how it's used in different context and/or even if it's used incorrectly, to say it's not a word is pathetic.

 

[DerelictJunction]

In fact, I've been involved in several debates with evolutionists who accuse Creationists of saying that a person can't believe in God and be a evolutionist. It's an incredibly ignorant statement and, if you can stomach the most annoying person on the net, Aron Ra makes that "argument" on youtube. In one debate with that total loser it was explained very clearly that Creationists DO NOT say that and it wasn't two minutes later he accused the person explaining it to him that he "just said it." And this moron has over a million followers---evolutionists of course. [And, please....., I'm not saying that there may be examples of Christians who do imply that but Aron Ra accuses Creationists leaders like Ken Ham of saying it.]

That's because there are a number of Young Earth Creationists (YEC) who do say that you cannot be Christian and an evolutionist. Ken Ham has said something to that effect many times.
No, not all YEC's do that. Many merely believe that theistic evolutionists have been led astray by Satan.

 

[HisMan]

So what you are saying is that God had no idea how physics was going to affect his creation.

So, according to you, God isn't all knowing, and might just have failed physics. Is this correct?

You don't seem to want to drop this so I guess I wast my time trying to give you an answer---even though I can't find the words to express how, how, how.....can't find the word.....it is that you get this out of what I wrote (and you'll just reject the most logical explanation anyway).

It's called The Fall. 10 zillion times Christians and Creationists have explained (as I CLEARLY do in my first post) that God created the world/universe as "very good." And 10 zillion times we've explained that the world/universe is now "corrupted" and death and destruction is now a reality. Is this really that hard to understand?

 

[HisMan]

That's because there are a number of Young Earth Creationists (YEC) who do say that you cannot be Christian and an evolutionist. Ken Ham has said something to that effect many times.
No, not all YEC's do that. Many merely believe that theistic evolutionists have been led astray by Satan.

I hate to ask because it's a little "unfair" and just not great etiquette as I'm asking you to take your time (as crazy did to me 100 times over) but do you have any quotes or links where YEC's say specifically that you can't be a Christian and an evolutionist?

As far as Ken Ham, the guy I mentioned, Aron Ra, has a clip of Ham on one of his youtube videos. In it, AR makes the claim that Ham is doing just that--saying that you can't be a Christian and an evolutionists. Problem is that you can't hear a word Ham is saying because Ra is so self absorbed he talks over the entire thing and Ham never said any such thing.

 

[EternalDragon]

I hate to ask because it's a little "unfair" and just not great etiquette as I'm asking you to take your time (as crazy did to me 100 times over) but do you have any quotes or links where YEC's say specifically that you can't be a Christian and an evolutionist?

As far as Ken Ham, the guy I mentioned, Aron Ra, has a clip of Ham on one of his youtube videos. In it, AR makes the claim that Ham is doing just that--saying that you can't be a Christian and an evolutionists. Problem is that you can't hear a word Ham is saying because Ra is so self absorbed he talks over the entire thing and Ham never said any such thing.

Evolution is change in species. Species do change. It is a built in function from the creator. That is how we get a variation in species like birds and bugs. It is how species can survive differing climate changes. It is called natural selection actually and works on existing information. Nothing is really "evolving".

The idea that we all come from a common ancestor or that apes, fish or whatever changed so much to produce humans or that dinosaurs changed into birds, etc. are the added in assumptions.

So yes, a Christian can accept evolution and still be a Christian if you leave out the added in assumptions that have no evidence behind them.

 

[DerelictJunction]

I hate to ask because it's a little "unfair" and just not great etiquette as I'm asking you to take your time (as crazy did to me 100 times over) but do you have any quotes or links where YEC's say specifically that you can't be a Christian and an evolutionist?

As far as Ken Ham, the guy I mentioned, Aron Ra, has a clip of Ham on one of his youtube videos. In it, AR makes the claim that Ham is doing just that--saying that you can't be a Christian and an evolutionists. Problem is that you can't hear a word Ham is saying because Ra is so self absorbed he talks over the entire thing and Ham never said any such thing.

A request for evidence? I will comply and look for some quotes along with references so you can find them yourself. I take it that your expectation of my compliance with your request means that a request for you to provide evidence will not go unanswered.

BTW: If you couldn't hear what Ken Ham was saying in the video, how did you know he never said any such thing?

 

[lasthero]

So yes, a Christian can accept evolution and still be a Christian if you leave out the added in assumptions that have no evidence behind them.

Ignoring the fact that you're making up your own definitions again, there are Christians who accept common ancestry, that humans, apes, fish, and other creatures share common ancestry. Can they be Christians?

 

[HisMan]

A request for evidence? I will comply and look for some quotes along with references so you can find them yourself. I take it that your expectation of my compliance with your request means that a request for you to provide evidence will not go unanswered.

BTW: If you couldn't hear what Ken Ham was saying in the video, how did you know he never said any such thing?

I'll try but I can't even get on google right now---Dish Net stinks sooooo, sooo bad---they told me I was out of band with for the month on the 9th for gosh sakes (and I'm really far north, too, so the signal is weak and I get kicked off all the time). One reason I ask you though, also, is because, yes, it could be argued that YEC's IMPLY this but but I would think one would be hard pressed to find any, especially any one of note, who comes right out and makes that claim.

I looked up the video of Ham that Aron Ra was playing. The whole thing may be on a site (kgov) and I'll see if I can find the link for you (but it's a really, really long interview and really, really, really annoying).

 

[lasthero]

One reason I ask you though, also, is because, yes, it could be argued that YEC's IMPLY this but but I would think one would be hard pressed to find any, especially any one of note, who comes right out and makes that claim.

Someone Said: Can someone be a Christian and believe in evolution?
Ray Answers: A “theistic evolutionist” has to make up a false god to keep his belief in evolution. He is what the Bible calls an idolater. Jesus said, “In the beginning God made them male and female.” A professing Christian who believes in evolution thinks that Jesus was lying. He is like someone who says, “I’m an atheist, but I believe in God.”

https://www.facebook.com/official.Ray.Comfort/posts/640585599295250

Granted, he doesn't outright come out and say 'evolutionists can't be Christians', but I don't see any other way to take what he says, here.

 

[HisMan]

Evolution is change in species. Species do change. It is a built in function from the creator. That is how we get a variation in species like birds and bugs. It is how species can survive differing climate changes. It is called natural selection actually and works on existing information. Nothing is really "evolving".

The idea that we all come from a common ancestor or that apes, fish or whatever changed so much to produce humans or that dinosaurs changed into birds, etc. are the added in assumptions.

So yes, a Christian can accept evolution and still be a Christian if you leave out the added in assumptions that have no evidence behind them.

Yes, I know, that's exactly what I'm saying.

And it's a fools errand to argue what a "Christian" is and/or if or what makes a Christian and/or a person an evolutionist. You prove that point here by making the statement that "evolution is a change in species." By the strict scientific of the definition of species that would make me an evolutionist (I'm not as I would define it as a change in "kind" or, scientifically, a genus or family).