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Come Into The Deep End... with ImHisServant (3)

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Awesome topic; awesome prayer; awesome verses to ponder on and be victorious in today and everyday! Bless you cristianna for sharing this! I pray this not only for myself but for all of you who frequent this thread. I pray also that you are victorious in EVERY area of your life; that your faith is unbreakable; and that we conquer every single sin we may be struggling with!

In Jesus Name
Amen
 
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Just wanted to add in this scripture:

For it is no longer I who live...But Christ within me! Amen...so through "faith" we can survive...if we totally trust Him to care for us all, amen! Sincerely, hannah

BTW...there are alot of awesome discussions in this thread! Thank you Lord for leading me here! For the waters here are deep and full of LOVE, amen!
 
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Welcome to our Deep End Thread Hannah! And a mighty big welcome to CF!
 
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Welcome to our Deep End Thread Hannah! And a mighty big welcome to CF!

Thank you for the warm welcome Cristianna! Now, maybe you can explain the "why" this thread evolves...is it when we are at our "wits end" or a place to read and learn...as in..."jumping into HIS living deep waters"??? Just wasn't sure! Still learning my way around here! a sister in Christ, hannah
 
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Great topic Christianna!
I'm learning to live in the victory He has won. It really is about being totally dependant on Him - as soon as I try to take control it all goes wrong!
But in Him we already have the victory!

2 Corinthians 2:14
But thanks be to God, who always leads us in triumphal procession in Christ and through us spreads everywhere the fragrance of the knowledge of him.


So when His victoy is seen in our lives, it spreads the knowledge of Christ!!!
That's pretty incredible really. I've only just noticed that one!
Bless you all!
 
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I believe the thread is a little bit of a mix of everything you've stated. Paraphrased, the original purpose was to start a thread that was more than fellowship, fun, games, etc. Many of us are here daily, but there are some that come when times or schedules permit.

In a nutshell we are a group who are striving to become more intimate and closer to God through daily devos and prayer for one another. We are mainly a group of women, but we do have a few men who frequent.

Feel free to join us daily, or when you have time.
 
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How's Your Love Life?, Part 11
When things are running smoothly, it's easy to show people love. But the true test of love comes when circumstances are difficult.

How do you respond when your husband forgets something that you asked him to do for the third time or forgets that you have a doctor's appointment and leaves you stranded at home without a vehicle? How do you respond when your child asks the 432nd question of the morning? How do you respond when somebody who works for you or one of your children doesn't follow the instructions that you left and that you thought were so clear? Or at work when your boss gets on your case for something that you know you didn't do?

Today we come to the eighth characteristic of love: "Love is not provoked."
As I gave that list of circumstances, did you find yourself thinking that in some of those circumstances you would be provoked? Scripture says that "Love is patient. Love is kind. Love is not jealous. Love does not brag. It is not arrogant. It does not act unbecomingly. It does not seek its own." Now we come to the one for today. "Love is not provoked."

If you're using the King James Version, you'll notice that this little phrase says, "Love is not easily provoked." Actually, that word "easily" is not in the original language. Some commentators say that the person who wrote that translation must have been an easily provoked person. But the actual reading of the text is "Love is not provoked at all, "not just that it is not easily provoked.

I called a friend last night who is a mother with three children, two of them teenagers and then a younger one. A dear friend. I said to her, "Can you tell me in your home how do you sometimes find yourself being provoked?" She didn't have to think very hard. This is a woman who loves her children. This is a woman who loves her husband. But she was quick to admit that "There are times when I am not loving toward my husband and my children, when I do get provoked."

Here's what she said. She said, "You know, as a mom, your life isn't your own. Your time isn't your own. You find yourself constantly being tested and tempted to be provoked. I'll be on the phone, and the children are trying to talk. Why is it that when I get on the phone, they come and they have to talk? Or they're writing a note, asking if they can have a snack while I'm trying to carry on a serious conversation on the phone. Or (they ask) 'Can I play Monopoly or can I do something?' They want to know, 'Can we take a break from our schoolwork?' when they've only been working on it for thirty minutes." She said that she finds herself feeling provoked.

She said, "Or you come home after you've been running errands. You're out buying school clothes. You're going to the grocery store. You're trying to be frugal and meet the needs of your family. You've been serving them. You walk in the door of the house and there is a trail from one room to the next. The whole house is upside down. You find that the dog has made a mess, that your son has spilled chemicals on a brand-new carpet. He has been doing a science experiment. Then he tried to clean it up and made a bigger mess on the carpet. It would have been better if he had just left it alone."

She said, "Here I've been trying to serve my family and I come home to this kind of situation. I find myself provoked." She said, "It has to do with unplanned things in your day. I start on my day. I have my agenda. Then it all goes topsy-turvy and I find I can be easily provoked."

Well, those are some of the things that can provoke my friend. Let me ask you: "What does it take to provoke you? " Maybe it's a particular habit that your husband has that you find annoying. It provokes you. Maybe it's someone who forgets to relay a message that you communicated.

Love guards against being irritated. It guards against getting upset or angered by things that are said or done against it. Now there is a righteous anger that God has, and there is a righteous anger that we have against things that anger God. But do you find, as I do, that so many times the things that anger us and provoke us are not the things that are really wickedness--the things that anger God? They're the things that disturb my peace. They're the things that don't go my way--the things that annoy me and upset my agenda and my plans.

The person who is intent on having his own way is going to be easily provoked, easily angered. When we're filled with the love of Christ, we will not get angry at others when they say or do something that displeases us or when they keep us from getting our own way.

The real issue in this matter of being provoked and angered has to do with rights, doesn't it? I have my rights, my time, my property, my way, my schedule; and I don't want anyone interfering with my rights. I find that when I get angry, perturbed internally, sometimes it comes out. And sometimes it's just a seething inside. It almost invariably is a result of the fact that someone violated rights that I felt that I had. I have a right to a good night's sleep. So why do one of my family members call me at 11:30 at night when I've just fallen off to sleep? If I get annoyed, if I get perturbed, if I'm provoked, it's because I was claiming a right that I really didn't have.

John MacArthur says, "If you get angry, upset and irritated and then blame it on your circumstances, you're deceiving yourself." You say, "I'm so angry because" or "I just got provoked because" or "If this person hadn't been this way; if my child hadn't filled the dryer with water or written with butter on the living room furniture or whatever, I wouldn't be so irritated."

But Dr. MacArthur says the problem isn't your circumstances. The problem is the preoccupation of your mind that you're important, that your rights matter, that your territory is invincible. When somebody steps into your territory or violates your rights, they trigger that anger because you've already predetermined that you have those rights. You see, "love overlooks a multitude of sins," the Scripture says.

Do you have the kind of love that overlooks offenses or do you get easily irritated when your rights are violated? Do you fly off the handle and blow up easily or do you have the kind of love that is unperturbed by circumstances?

Paul goes on to say that not only is love not easily angered--love is not provoked--but then next that "Love keeps no record of wrongs." Love doesn't keep score. The concept here is a bookkeeping term. It has to do with putting something in a ledger so that it can be a permanent record, and you can go back and dredge it up when you feel the need. You're keeping a ledger of offenses. The Scripture says that love does not do that.

The word used here is the same word that is used to speak of God pardoning sinners. 2 Corinthians tells us that God was "in Christ, reconciling the world to Himself, not counting their trespasses against them." You see, if we are in Christ, if we have come to Him through repentance and faith, then our sin--all of it--has been placed under the blood of Jesus Christ. The penalty has been paid for that sin. It has been blotted out. It has been wiped away. There is no more record of it. In fact, that ledger has been cast into the depths of the deepest sea from whence it can never be retrieved.

How much damage has been done to marriages where one or both mates keep dragging that ledger out of the sea and pointing out something that was done, perhaps years ago, an offense! They've kept a record of wrongs. You see, resentment keeps the books. It's always looking for a way to get even and will frequently bring up the offense against the offender. But love forgives. Love clears the record.

So when others wrong you, when others fail you--as they do and as they will--how do you handle the ledger? Do you keep record? Do you keep score? Do you bring it back up at a later point? Do you remember it and hold it against your mate or child, that friend? Do you keep track of those offenses?

Or do you do with those offenses what God has done with your offenses? Do you let it go? Do you clear the record and forgive?
 
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Sorry it's so long again today! But I couldn't really see much to cut out, though I did cut out some.

Ok, this is something I'm struggling with lately. I am finding myself easily provoked. And it's mainly at home.
Two examples: Mother's day......on Saturday I cleaned the house, mostly by myself, because we were having dinner for mother's day at our house. My boys did clean their rooms, and hubby mowed. But later that evening, I was still cleaning, and dh said we should just go to bed (it was about 10:00). I told him I wasn't done, and he said he was beat. I told him to just go to bed then (I was really irritated). I stayed up cleaning, and then put beef stew in the crockpot at midnight, so it could cook all night.
Sunday....dinner started at about 1:00. My mom, my inlaws and my brother in law and niece came over. Us three mothers finished getting stuff ready for dinner, we all ate, then the three of us cleaned up the kitchen and did dishes!!! The men sat on their butts in the livingroom watching the race! I was EXTREMELY irritated!!!
Ok, to yesterday evening. There were dishes to do and laundry that needed done. So, I started doing it. Oh, first off, dh had softball practice, I had a VBS meeting and our youngest son had his dgroup. So we got home about 8:45. I hadn't eaten anything, plus as I said, this other stuff needed done. So I threw in a load of laundry and started dishes. Dh said, 'why don't you just sit and enjoy the show?' (American Idol). I asked him when I was going to dishes then? Tonight we have a track sectional to go to; Friday we're probably going to my mom's because I have relatives in from out of town. Saturday we are having a cancer benefit concert here at the church aaalllll day. Then Sunday is church and my grandmothers birthday party. Sooooo, I have to do dishes and stuff when I get the chance.
Anyway, I just get really frustrated because of things like this. He does help me, some, but seems like only when he really feels like it. I've tried over and over to explain to him that I want to do cleaning during the week, so I don't have to clean on weekends. And I know we don't have much time during the week (we both work 40 hours a week, plus have things in the evenings sometimes), but if we just do a little everyday then things don't get that bad.
I also know the boys need to help out more. But it seems like it's up to me to decide what they need to do and then get them to do it.
Sooooooo, sorry this is sooooo long!!! I just get really frustrated because I feel like no one else cares how the house looks and it stresses me out when it's a mess!! So, yeah, I guess I get easily provoked at this time in my life!!!
 
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Praying for you sweetie - you sound really fed up!

God bless you!
 
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Thank you sooo much for taking the time to explain this thread to me! So, daily devos or whining? If I start whining here...you all will be "More than sick of me"!

So, for today I will just praise Him for this day and be on with it..and trying to do so without complaining for one day! Amen! This in itself will be a great feat if I managed a whole day without the "whine" and cheese! LOL!!! Thank you again, though you may be sorry when I sound "fed up" with this whole world and all it has come to stand for, which is "nothing" like how the Lord would like to see it, amen! hannah
 
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Oh honey.... it's the same way at my house. It's entirely too easy to get snap happy, think ill thoughts and what not while everyone enjoys their time doing *nothing* while the wife/mother is frantically running around.

This was an excellent topic by the way, and I believe regardless of length everything listed needed to be there.

I'm glad you were able to release some of that energy through here. I'm not too sure if you're looking for recommendations or suggestions, or just needed a safe place to let it out. I'll offer up my current idea that seems to be semi-working.

We frequently do "Marathon Cleaning". I wait until everyone is home, we group together and go room by room. The youngest windexes, dusts and picks up trash or whatever, the oldest declutters and organizes, I vaccum, dh puts things where they really belong and everyone helps others out as they finish. No one is allowed to call it quits, slack or anything until the entire house is done. Generally, we can knock off a room in 5-8 minutes. Since I stay home we don't do this weekly-- probably every other week.

I feel bad and guilty even doing it every other week, but I just get so aggrevated by everyone's attitude of me being home. This morning the girls were up at 6:30-- we don't leave until 8:30. Since I had errands, doctor appt and a ton of running around to do this morning I asked them to make their beds and tidy their rooms instead of me doing it. Want to know what I heard back? "Why? You have more time to do it today than us; we're in school all day-- you aren't".

Also, dh I truly believe doesn't care what the house looks like, and honestly doesn't think of offering me help or assistance. Yet, if I ask, amazingly... he'll do anything I ask. I still scratch my head that I have to ask though. It could be my expectations since no one ever has to ask for my help around here, so I think I assume everyone, like me, will just automatically ask what can they do to help.

This was certainly an eye opener for me. I have realized I should not use them as a scapegoat or as justification when I'm cranky. I can easily clear the record and let go with no reservations. Although I am easily provoked, I hardly ever fly off the handle, lose my cool, etc. If I'm *hormonal* I will snap completely unintentionally. But generally I just get very short and sweet about stuff.

And this devo is so true. I spent all last Friday cleaning the house top to bottom. The girls came home from school, dropped their stuff on the kitchen floor and went straight to the fridge and pantry for a snack. No one used a plate, let alone a napkin-- forget cleaning any of it up when they were done. No one wiped their feet, nor washed their grimey hands before raiding, etc. Although I was able to disguise it, I was HOT, HOT, HOT!!!!

What was the real problem? I spent all day cleaning from crown moulding to baseboards for them to inconvenience me by making a mess of the kitchen (the room I like to spaze about). Really, the mess wasn't that bad- crumbs, fingerprints all over the fridge and stuff tossed about. But I felt disrespected, walked all over, and that my time and efforts were not important or worthy. It truly had nothing to do with them at all; it had to do with nothing but... me .

Thanks rosiecotton! Now I'm really going to be much more vigilant and observant about this.
 
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I think this is a big part of it. It makes me feel disrespected and unappreciated. And like you, I wonder why do I have to ask for someone to help me? Can't they see what needs done?
I really don't like griping or whining, but sometimes I just get to that point. I try to be grateful for all I have and for my family. I know they love me, and my hubby does help out some. I just want a little more help with the daily stuff.
But, I have found in the past, when I take 'me' out of it...when I think of just serving them, doing what God wants me to and not think about myself, I don't get as upset. I just have to get back to that somehow.
 
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Oh my poor Mom....(I did travel 8hrs to see her on Mother's day)

I'm the same as your dh, I don't really care so long as it's functional. If I'm having company, I'll clean. But otherwise it's not a priority. I just can't see spending time cleaning when I could be resting. I literally let the dishes pile up for a few days, don't fold laundry, unless it'll wrinkle, vacuum only when I start seeing stuff on the floor, clean the bathroom when it has very visible signs that it needs it, and dust what's that? At least I live alone...

In my defense, I did clean when I moved in. The prior roommate left trash around to the point that you could barely walk in the kitchen. And I threw out 3 bags of rotten food from the fridge. Compared to him, I clean like the Ritz.

All that to state that as a man, I don't really worry about how the house looks, so it's hard to understand those that do. I admit that I get the mindset, if you want it that clean, go for it, but I don't want to spend the time. However, I certainly respect those who do, and clean up after myself when I'm at my parents house.
 
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READ: Matthew 6:25-34

Do not worry. —Matthew 6:25



Jack, a 15-pound, orange and white cat, took seriously his job of guarding his owners’ backyard in New Jersey. He often scared small animal intruders away, but the owners were surprised when one day they found him sitting at the base of a tall tree, looking up at a large black bear.
Jack hissed at the bear as it wandered into the yard from the nearby woods. The scared bear quickly climbed up a tree. How could a big black bear be afraid of a little kitty? What was he thinking!
Even more absurd are our thoughts of worry and fear when we consider that we have a powerful and good God who cares for us. Jesus told His disciples, “Do not worry . . .” (Matt. 6:25,31,34). He said we don’t have to be fearful or worried, because our heavenly Father knows our needs, and we are valued by Him (vv.26,32). He is perfectly willing and able to meet our needs.
When something concerns us, what’s our perspective? It’s not what we see but how we see it that reveals our attitude. If we look at life through the lens of our powerful and good God, we’ll trust Him instead of fearfully worrying. When our perspective is right, we can see God and His faithful provision. —Anne Cetas
When fear and worry test your faith
And anxious thoughts assail,
Remember God is in control
And He will never fail. —Sper

Worry is a burden that God never meant for us to bear.

So how are you doing? Are you a scaredy bear or do you trust God in all things?

I think I'm doing pretty good here! Several things have happened over the last couple of years that have taught me how to put everything in God's hands and leave it. Of course occasionally I try to take things back . . . but I'm definitely gettin better!

 
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Excellent topic woman.at.the.well!

I think I'm very good when it comes to this. I'm hardly ever a worrier-- which completely anerves dh.

I will think about little things like right now I do wonder about summer camps for the kids. One camp, which normally costs us $400, will be $600 this year for the two of them. It's their favorite one too. Yes, I do think about if it's a justified cost increase-- after all I could send them to several camps for that total.

But I don't worry. Well, maybe it's not so much I don't worry as it is I don't harp on it. When our house was on the market and not selling of course I worried we were making the wrong move-- literally. It was a thought that entered my mind, and left just as quickly. But I just went with the flow. God graced us with a house that sat on the market for months. We took it off right before our new was home finished being built and we painted. We put it back on the market at quite an increased price and it sold within a week $5K less than asking price.

I'm forever intrigued that I will not allow myself to harp over or succumb to worry, but I fight the urge to fully and totally submit my everything to God.
 
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I am on the same page about worrying (or the lack thereof) as cristianna.
I really don't worry about anything.
I think after all these years seeing everything working out in the end (thanks to God), I just relax. They may not go exactly as I plan but see after things are settled or over that it worked for the better His way.
(Which bugs my hubby too )
Especially with finances, things can look bleak at times but they work out.
And just alot of other things.

My hubby is the opposite, he worries about everything. He can't sleep lots of nights because of it. God wants us to have peace and that comes with trusting Him in and with everything.

 
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