Columbine and evolution

[AV1611VET]

I fail to see the connection with evolution.

I don't.

And let me say this yet again.

Please get off the "evolution" kick and start calling them what science calls them (animals), and it will help you understand where I'm coming from.

Of course, if you just want to complain about me "posting to irritate" -- go ahead.

How about you understand the message before you attack the messenger, eh?

Again, this is not about evolution directly; this is about Klebold & Harris acting like animals.

 

[Golden Yak]

Again, this is not about evolution directly; this is about Klebold & Harris acting like animals.

Which animals?

 

[Lost Angel]

I don't.

And let me say this yet again.

Please get off the "evolution" kick and start calling them what science calls them (animals), and it will help you understand where I'm coming from.

Of course, if you just want to complain about me "posting to irritate" -- go ahead.

How about you understand the message before you attack the messenger, eh?

Again, this is not about evolution directly; this is about Klebold & Harris acting like animals.

We all act like animals. My basic argument is that they did not go feral.

I understand the message, and I find it to be an argument that has been reputed many times. They deviated from what is socially acceptable, but it is not the same as being feral.

 

[HitchSlap]

I don't.

And let me say this yet again.

Please get off the "evolution" kick and start calling them what science calls them (animals), and it will help you understand where I'm coming from.

Of course, if you just want to complain about me "posting to irritate" -- go ahead.

How about you understand the message before you attack the messenger, eh?

Again, this is not about evolution directly; this is about Klebold & Harris acting like animals.

But they didn't act like animals, com padre, they exhibited malice aforethought and spent significant amount of time and preparation for their clearly human decisions.

Thread over?

 

[AV1611VET]

Which animals?

Both of them.

 

[HitchSlap]

Both of them.

Both of "them" who?

 

[AV1611VET]

My basic argument is that they did not go feral.

Fair enough.

Then I submit they rebelled against the pressures of having to act like a dove.

 

[HitchSlap]

Fair enough.

Then I submit they rebelled against the pressures of having to act like a dove.

Fair enough.

Then I submit you have rebelled against pressures of having to use sound reasoning.

 

[AV1611VET]

But they didn't act like animals, com padre, they exhibited malice aforethought and spent significant amount of time and preparation for their clearly human decisions.

Thread over?

Not quite.

Are you suggesting that, to keep from acting like animals, simply exhibit malice aforethought?

 

[AV1611VET]

Which animals?

Both of them.

Both of "them" who?

Both of which animals -- Klebold & Harris.

 

[Golden Yak]

Then I submit they rebelled against the pressures of having to act like a dove.

...flying around, eating bird seed, that sort of thing?

 

[HitchSlap]

Not quite.

Are you suggesting that, to keep from acting like animals, simply exhibit malice aforethought?

Not quite com padre. I'm suggesting that humans act like humans.

 

[AV1611VET]

Fair enough.

Then I submit you have rebelled against pressures of having to use sound reasoning.

I would say you guys are the ones not employing sound reasoning.

Animals are animals.

They hunt, they kill, they make more animals.

There are doves and there are hawks -- both are animals.

Expecting everyone to act like doves should go against your own philosophy.

 

[Loudmouth]

I don't.

And let me say this yet again.

Please get off the "evolution" kick and start calling them what science calls them (animals), and it will help you understand where I'm coming from.

I still don't understand where you are coming from. Animal does not mean that you are not a moral agent. In fact, there is one species of animal that has a highly complex understanding of morality: Homo sapiens.

 

[AV1611VET]

...flying around, eating bird seed, that sort of thing?

Wellll ... kinda.

They did come down to the cafeteria a couple of times.

 

[AV1611VET]

Not quite com padre. I'm suggesting that humans act like humans.

Maybe acting wasn't their thing?

 

[AV1611VET]

I still don't understand where you are coming from. Animal does not mean that you are not a moral agent. In fact, there is one species of animal that has a highly complex understanding of morality: Homo sapiens.

But what is moral to a dove is not moral to a hawk.

Would you agree?

They may both have morals, but express them according to their instincts.

 

[Golden Yak]

I would say you guys are the ones not employing sound reasoning.

Animals are animals.

They hunt, they kill, they make more animals.

There are doves and there are hawks -- both are animals.

Expecting everyone to act like doves should go against your own philosophy.

Humans are animals too.

Why are you talking about hawks and doves when this is about humans?

 

[AV1611VET]

Humans are animals too.

Why are you talking about hawks and doves when this is about humans?

Doves represent peace; hawks represent war.

 

[Golden Yak]

If you're saying you'd prefer humans to be peaceful animals as opposed to warlike animals, I'm on board.