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Ok I am writing an essay for my college religion class that I am required to take. I wont bore you guys with all the details but I am required to ask the people of the religion that I was assigned to (lol me the agnostic gets Christianity of all religions, hehe). Ok here is my question.

Many Christians profess that evil and sin, and the temptation to perform evil acts and sinful desires, is caused by Satan. If that is true who implanted the seed of desire into Satan's mind to revolt against god?

Thank you for allowing me to post this, and I hope this can be a peaceful and educational experience for everyone.
 
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Ok I am writing an essay for my college religion class that I am required to take. I wont bore you guys with all the details but I am required to ask the people of the religion that I was assigned to (lol me the agnostic gets Christianity of all religions, hehe). Ok here is my question.

Many Christians profess that evil and sin, and the temptation to perform evil acts and sinful desires, is caused by Satan. If that is true who implanted the seed of desire into Satan's mind to revolt against god?

Thank you for allowing me to post this, and I hope this can be a peaceful and educational experience for everyone.
Hi Awesomegirl,

I actually don't think many Christians would profess that. I certainly don't think that Satan is the source of the evil, I think that he uses it as he knows it separates us from God. We aren't told much about why Satan rebelled, so we can't really comment on that, we just know that he did and that he hates God and His creations. Anything to smart God, would benefit Satan.

I think evil is the byproduct of misused good. To elaborate, something can have a good intention, yet through deliberate and intentional warping and misuse, it can take on an evil nature. Quick example, computer games are fun, yet sometimes people can play them as they are not intended and cause a lot of anger for other players by team-killing or just general griefing (harassment of players). That doesn't mean the designer (God) created evil, it just means with knowledge, the intention of the design can be warped. We have knowledge through the Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil, which gave us that clarity.

That's how I think about it anyhow. Hope that helps, good luck with the paper! :)

Cheers!
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Ok I am writing an essay for my college religion class that I am required to take. I wont bore you guys with all the details but I am required to ask the people of the religion that I was assigned to (lol me the agnostic gets Christianity of all religions, hehe). Ok here is my question.

Many Christians profess that evil and sin, and the temptation to perform evil acts and sinful desires, is caused by Satan. If that is true who implanted the seed of desire into Satan's mind to revolt against god?

Thank you for allowing me to post this, and I hope this can be a peaceful and educational experience for everyone.

All I know is that satan (originally Lucifer) was an angel, became prideful and rebelled against God and was cast out of heaven. I did a search and I think the following link may help. This is one of those questions where there is no definitive answer. And really your question provokes the thought 'did God create sin'?

http://www.carm.org/questions/didGodcreatesin.htm

I wish you well with your essay.

:) 1newcreation
 
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If they do, then they're wrong. The Bible doesn't teach this.
Not directly, but it teaches that sin came into the world through Adam's original sin, which was instigated by Satan.

Anyway, that's not the question.

For a college paper, you might get some extra points, Awesomegirl, with good quotes. Here is an interesting passage out of the Catechism of the Catholic Church. It is interesting especially because this is one subject on which, AFAIK, there is not much opposition between the different Christian denominations, so you can take it as reflecting a general view. (The blue numbers are paragraph numbers)

391 Behind the disobedient choice of our first parents lurks a seductive voice, opposed to God, which makes them fall into death out of envy.266 Scripture and the Church's Tradition see in this being a fallen angel, called "Satan" or the "devil".267 The Church teaches that Satan was at first a good angel, made by God: "The devil and the other demons were indeed created naturally good by God, but they became evil by their own doing."268

392 Scripture speaks of a sin of these angels.269 This "fall" consists in the free choice of these created spirits, who radically and irrevocably rejected God and his reign. We find a reflection of that rebellion in the tempter's words to our first parents: "You will be like God."270 The devil "has sinned from the beginning"; he is "a liar and the father of lies".271
393 It is the irrevocable character of their choice, and not a defect in the infinite divine mercy, that makes the angels' sin unforgivable. "There is no repentance for the angels after their fall, just as there is no repentance for men after death."272
394 Scripture witnesses to the disastrous influence of the one Jesus calls "a murderer from the beginning", who would even try to divert Jesus from the mission received from his Father.273 "The reason the Son of God appeared was to destroy the works of the devil."274 In its consequences the gravest of these works was the mendacious seduction that led man to disobey God. 395 The power of Satan is, nonetheless, not infinite. He is only a creature, powerful from the fact that he is pure spirit, but still a creature. He cannot prevent the building up of God's reign. Although Satan may act in the world out of hatred for God and his kingdom in Christ Jesus, and although his action may cause grave injuries - of a spiritual nature and, indirectly, even of a physical nature- to each man and to society, the action is permitted by divine providence which with strength and gentleness guides human and cosmic history. It is a great mystery that providence should permit diabolical activity, but "we know that in everything God works for good with those who love him."275

Still unclear? You are not alone. This question is THE hardest one for any faith, and it is the reason why many people are agnostics and atheists. "If there is a God, and He is all-good, where does evil come from?" It's called "the problem of evil", and if you Google it, you can spend a hundred years reading the material....

OK, the honest clear answer is that we just don't know. Even the greatest early Christian theologian, St. Augustine of Hippo in the fourth century - said so clearly.

But then, is it surprising that we are unable to understand the depths of God and of His creation? We believe in God because the universe, and our souls, obviously have a "source", and that Source is fundamentally Good, otherwise how could we all have Goodness as our ultimate aspiration? But we can see equally well that evil exists, which must in some way go back all the way to God but it is nevertheless opposed to God's fundamental goodness. OK, we've developed the concept of the original fallen spirit, created by God but that was given, somehow, the free choice to oppose Him, and it did.
 
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Not directly

Try not at all.

391 Behind the disobedient choice of our first parents lurks a seductive voice, opposed to God, which makes them fall into death out of envy.266 Scripture and the Church's Tradition see in this being a fallen angel, called "Satan" or the "devil".267 The Church teaches that Satan was at first a good angel, made by God: "The devil and the other demons were indeed created naturally good by God, but they became evil by their own doing."268

392 Scripture speaks of a sin of these angels.269 This "fall" consists in the free choice of these created spirits, who radically and irrevocably rejected God and his reign. We find a reflection of that rebellion in the tempter's words to our first parents: "You will be like God."270 The devil "has sinned from the beginning"; he is "a liar and the father of lies".271
393 It is the irrevocable character of their choice, and not a defect in the infinite divine mercy, that makes the angels' sin unforgivable. "There is no repentance for the angels after their fall, just as there is no repentance for men after death."272
394 Scripture witnesses to the disastrous influence of the one Jesus calls "a murderer from the beginning", who would even try to divert Jesus from the mission received from his Father.273 "The reason the Son of God appeared was to destroy the works of the devil."274 In its consequences the gravest of these works was the mendacious seduction that led man to disobey God. 395 The power of Satan is, nonetheless, not infinite. He is only a creature, powerful from the fact that he is pure spirit, but still a creature. He cannot prevent the building up of God's reign. Although Satan may act in the world out of hatred for God and his kingdom in Christ Jesus, and although his action may cause grave injuries - of a spiritual nature and, indirectly, even of a physical nature- to each man and to society, the action is permitted by divine providence which with strength and gentleness guides human and cosmic history. It is a great mystery that providence should permit diabolical activity, but "we know that in everything God works for good with those who love him."275

For the record, this is taken from the Catechism of the Roman Catholic Church, not scripture. It is not authoritative to Christianity, nor does it accurately represent Biblical Christianity.

OK, the honest clear answer is that we just don't know.

I don't see why not. The Bible is pretty clear on these things.

Maybe if you stopped putting your faith in the CCC to answer your questions and started looking to God's word...
 
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Never said it's authoritative for all Christians, just a pretty good explanation of this terribly difficult subject and a useful quotation for a college paper. Why don't you complete it for her with the relevant quotations from the Bible?

Is there anything in the above passages that contradicts the Bible, in your opinion?
 
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Ok I am writing an essay for my college religion class that I am required to take. I wont bore you guys with all the details but I am required to ask the people of the religion that I was assigned to (lol me the agnostic gets Christianity of all religions, hehe). Ok here is my question.

Many Christians profess that evil and sin, and the temptation to perform evil acts and sinful desires, is caused by Satan. If that is true who implanted the seed of desire into Satan's mind to revolt against god?

Thank you for allowing me to post this, and I hope this can be a peaceful and educational experience for everyone.

Isaiah 14:12-15 (King James Version)


12How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!

13For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God: I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north:
14I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the most High. 15Yet thou shalt be brought down to hell, to the sides of the pit.
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Lucifer (Satan) was possibly what we might refer to as a Lieutenant. A 'second in command' who at times are known to make a power grab. Michael is the other lieutenant angel and stayed faithful to God. (Jude 9)
 
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If angels can rebel against god, then can any of them be trusted? I thought heaven was a place of peace, how can there be rebellion?
We are free to choose, as are they from all indications in scripture, more than this we don't know.

Cheers,
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Ok I am writing an essay for my college religion class that I am required to take. I wont bore you guys with all the details but I am required to ask the people of the religion that I was assigned to (lol me the agnostic gets Christianity of all religions, hehe). Ok here is my question.

Many Christians profess that evil and sin, and the temptation to perform evil acts and sinful desires, is caused by Satan. If that is true who implanted the seed of desire into Satan's mind to revolt against god?

Thank you for allowing me to post this, and I hope this can be a peaceful and educational experience for everyone.

Good luck finding a common answer amongst all Christians. Looks like the question you’re after relates to the origin of evil. Here is what the Bible says…

EZEKIEL 28:12…`This is what the Sovereign LORD says:

" `You were the model of perfection,
full of wisdom and perfect in beauty.

EZE 28:13 You were in Eden,
the garden of God;
every precious stone adorned you:
ruby, topaz and emerald,
chrysolite, onyx and jasper,
sapphire, turquoise and beryl.
Your settings and mountings were made of gold;
on the day you were created they were prepared.

EZE 28:14 You were anointed as a guardian cherub,
for so I ordained you.
You were on the holy mount of God;
you walked among the fiery stones.

EZE 28:15 You were blameless in your ways
from the day you were created
till wickedness was found in you.

EZE 28:16 Through your widespread trade
you were filled with violence,
and you sinned.
So I drove you in disgrace from the mount of God,
and I expelled you, O guardian cherub,
from among the fiery stones.

EZE 28:17 Your heart became proud
on account of your beauty,
and you corrupted your wisdom
because of your splendor.
So I threw you to the earth;
I made a spectacle of you before kings.

REVELATION 12:7 And there was war in heaven. Michael and his angels fought against the dragon, and the dragon and his angels fought back. 8 But he was not strong enough, and they lost their place in heaven.

ISAIAH 14:12 How you have fallen from heaven,
O morning star, son of the dawn!
You have been cast down to the earth,
you who once laid low the nations!

ISA 14:13 You said in your heart,
"I will ascend to heaven;
I will raise my throne
above the stars of God;
I will sit enthroned on the mount of assembly,
on the utmost heights of the sacred mountain.

ISA 14:14 I will ascend above the tops of the clouds;
I will make myself like the Most High."

GENESIS 3:1 Now the serpent was more crafty than any of the wild animals the LORD God had made. He said to the woman, "Did God really say, `You must not eat from any tree in the garden'?"

GE 3:2 The woman said to the serpent, "We may eat fruit from the trees in the garden, 3 but God did say, `You must not eat fruit from the tree that is in the middle of the garden, and you must not touch it, or you will die.' "

GE 3:4 "You will not surely die," the serpent said to the woman. 5 "For God knows that when you eat of it your eyes will be opened, and you will be like God, knowing good and evil."

GE 3:6 When the woman saw that the fruit of the tree was good for food and pleasing to the eye, and also desirable for gaining wisdom, she took some and ate it. She also gave some to her husband, who was with her, and he ate it. 7 Then the eyes of both of them were opened, and they realized they were naked; so they sewed fig leaves together and made coverings for themselves.

GE 3:14 So the LORD God said to the serpent, "Because you have done this,
"Cursed are you above all the livestock
and all the wild animals!
You will crawl on your belly
and you will eat dust
all the days of your life.

GE 3:15 And I will put enmity
between you and the woman,
and between your offspring and hers;
he will crush your head,
and you will strike his heel."

JOB 1:6 One day the angels came to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan also came with them. 7 The LORD said to Satan, "Where have you come from?"
Satan answered the LORD, "From roaming through the earth and going back and forth in it."

JOHN 12:31 (This is Jesus speaking)“Now is the time for judgment on this world; now the prince of this world will be driven out. 32 But I, when I am lifted up from the earth, will draw all men to myself." 33 He said this to show the kind of death he was going to die

REV 12:9 The great dragon was hurled down--that ancient serpent called the devil, or Satan, who leads the whole world astray. He was hurled to the earth, and his angels with him.

REV 12:10 Then I heard a loud voice in heaven say:

"Now have come the salvation and the power and the kingdom of our God,
and the authority of his Christ.
For the accuser of our brothers,
who accuses them before our God day and night,
has been hurled down.

REV 12:11 They overcame him
by the blood of the Lamb
and by the word of their testimony;
they did not love their lives so much
as to shrink from death.

REV 12:12 Therefore rejoice, you heavens
and you who dwell in them!
But woe to the earth and the sea,
because the devil has gone down to you!
He is filled with fury,
because he knows that his time is short."

Hope this helps, and if you have any questions, feel free to ask.
 
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If angels can rebel against god, then can any of them be trusted? I thought heaven was a place of peace, how can there be rebellion?

Heaven was a place of peace until pride crept up in Satan, then known as Lucifer. He was the highest ranking angel and became jealous of God. He wanted the other angels to worship him. As a result he rebelled against God and began deceiving the other angels, trying to turn them against God too.

That was when war broke out. Satan managed to decieve a third of the angels, the other two thirds stayed with God. The third who turned against God we are told were cast out of heaven with Satan. Those are the evil angels, or demons. The angels who remained true to God are still able to be trusted.

In Revelation we are told that after sin and evil have been destroyed then God will make a new heaven and a new earth that we can live in which will be untouched by sin. Then and only then will peace return to heaven.
 
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Its a good question, a really good one, a bit too good lol
Like how did evil get into the world or freewill vs predestination..its too big for me. Not too big to think about but to give an answer for something I can come up with endless ideas for would be dishonest. I really don't know and sure I could quote you things but I don't see any purpose in that.
wow, good q
peace and God bless you hugs
 
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If angels can rebel against god, then can any of them be trusted? I thought heaven was a place of peace, how can there be rebellion?

The theory is pride. Humanity would be exalted above all the angels. At creation, second to God were the angels and below them humans and the rest of creation. After the Resurrection, it went God -> Humans -> Angels.

Humans were brought into the divinity of God the angels were incapable of.
 
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Ok I am writing an essay for my college religion class that I am required to take. I wont bore you guys with all the details but I am required to ask the people of the religion that I was assigned to (lol me the agnostic gets Christianity of all religions, hehe). Ok here is my question.

Many Christians profess that evil and sin, and the temptation to perform evil acts and sinful desires, is caused by Satan. If that is true who implanted the seed of desire into Satan's mind to revolt against god?

Thank you for allowing me to post this, and I hope this can be a peaceful and educational experience for everyone.

I can only speak for myself but I don't believe all desire is wrong, it's just that it can be twisted and used against us. I also don't believe that evil was created, just as God was not created. That's not to say that evil is part of God at all though since I believe that God is all good and evil is that which is opposed to God and his will. So the possibility of evil is then brought about by the creation of free choice.
 
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well she does bring up a good point, if pride can crawl up in an angels heart than we are still at risk of sin in heaven because apparently it can overcome an angel, so heaven cannot be perfect unless god somehow takes control of our minds and destroys are free will to choose.
 
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