College Classes

[Force]

I think it is so STUPID to even have classes like this or required readings from things like the Koran.

The point is colleges are for a bunch of liberal minded sheep.

I wouldn't be saying this if they actually taught you important stuff but now days it is a bunch of garbage and how to be politically correct [wash my mouth][wash my mouth][wash my mouth][wash my mouth]!

What happened to reading, writing, and arithmetic?

It is even invaded high schools.   We wonder why kids fail proficiency exams and are not very bright, because we took out Phonics or PE and added garbage like Tolerance 101.

Give me a break!

 

 

[wildernesse]

Hopefully, by the time you are in college you know all the reading, writing, and arithmetic you should and are ready for more abstract thinking and to challenge your perceptions and knowledge of the world around you. If all you need to know is reading, writing, and arithmetic why go to college? You should have learned all that you need to know about that to function by the time you are in the 9th grade.

Why have required readings about anything? Someone might be offended when they learn something other than what they already know! My classes certainly didn't teach me anything useful like how to fix my toilet or negotiate a bank loan--things that are much more important to know than how to write a research paper.

If you want to learn something useful and important, go to technical school. If you want to learn how to think--go to a university.

--tibac

 

[jon1101]

Originally posted by Force
The point is colleges are for a bunch of liberal minded sheep.
 

As a university student, I resent that. I'm not exactly the most conservative, but I'm not a 'liberal minded sheep.' Some of your points were just fine, but please refrain from making such generalizations.

-jon

 

[Force]

No freaking way!

Colleges and universities do not want you to think for yourself, those types of people are given bad grades and or not allowed to express their opinions.  They want you to reiterate and think exactly what they teach you.

And classes like spells and witchcraft 101, womens lib etc.( I could go on and on) is a bunch of BS.And kids are not being taught reading writing etc these days, that is [wash my mouth][wash my mouth][wash my mouth][wash my mouth] as well.  The school systems are a joke.

 

 

 

 

 

[jon1101]

Originally posted by Force
No freaking way!

Colleges and universities do not want you to think for yourself, those types of people are given bad grades and or not allowed to express their opinions.  They want you to reiterate and think exactly what they teach you.

And classes like spells and witchcraft 101, womens lib etc.( I could go on and on) is a bunch of BS.And kids are not being taught reading writing etc these days, that is [wash my mouth][wash my mouth][wash my mouth][wash my mouth] as well.  The school systems are a joke. 
 

Once again, a bit of driven supported by naught but hasty generalizations. Tell me, how did you come upon such extensive knowledge of universities? I personally both think for myself and get A's on my papers.

-jon

 

[Force]

Your one of the few.  I wasn't saying all of the students that are in them are bad I was saying that the Universities have been programmed to teach like that. 

I go to both a University and a College.  Every class that I have conservatives are the minority (both prof. and students) and unless you agree with the liberals you are "intolerant". 

As for the "you should know all the basics before college" unfortunately most kids don't, and you can always learn more math and english etc.

 

[jon1101]

Originally posted by Force
Your one of the few.  I wasn't saying all of the students that are in them are bad I was saying that the Universities have been programmed to teach like that. 

I may or may not be, but I certainly would not make such blanket statements about universities. Perhaps there are a lot of bad professors out there - I don't really know one way or the other - but I've still had fairly good ones. A friend of mine at Harvard has had almost exclusively good things to say about the professors there, and she is (most definitely) not an unoriginal 'liberal sheep.'

I go to both a University and a College.  Every class that I have conservatives are the minority (both prof. and students) and unless you agree with the liberals you are "intolerant". 

Tolerance is a mess. I agree with the core philosophy of tolerance, but I do not believe that tolerance requires that we all withhold any opinions that may make anyone uncomfortable.

I've found that conservatives do sometimes express themselves in an abrasive "intolerant" manner, but it really depends on the specific case. I've found that if conservatives can refrain from such terms as 'baby-killer,' '[wash my mouth][wash my mouth][wash my mouth][wash my mouth][wash my mouth][wash my mouth],' or 'liberal sheep,' conversations tend to be much better, with the liberals often times willingly engaging in a civilized ideological debate. But then again sometimes liberals are painfully closed-minded. Either way, such generalizations about either group are facile.

As for the "you should know all the basics before college" unfortunately most kids don't, and you can always learn more math and english etc.

Hey, I'm not defending the public education system.  

-jon

 

[wildernesse]

How important is multi-variable calculus in everyday life? I manage to be quite happy without it. Yes, you can always learn more math--but I thought you wanted people to learn useful and important things. And I think there is a limit to your ability to learn more English--vocab words are always something new and reading, but you don't have to go to university to learn about new books and words.

--tibac

 

[Force]

Useful more important things, such as?

 

The History of witchcraft and Sorcery From Past to Present

Race and Sport in African-American Life

Feminist Biblical Interpretation

Sex and Death

Marxism: What Is to Be Learned From It?

Bodies Politic: Queer Theory and Literature of the Body

Death, Suicide and Trauma

How useful are these subjects?

 

And then on top of this they want to make it MANDATORY for incoming freshman to read BS material like the Koran or the Laramie Project?

You underestimate the power that the heads of Universities have on young impressionable minds.

I'd rather take calculus.

 

 

 

 

 

[strathyboy]

Originally posted by Force
Useful more important things, such as?

 

The History of witchcraft and Sorcery From Past to Present

Race and Sport in African-American Life

Feminist Biblical Interpretation

Sex and Death

Marxism: What Is to Be Learned From It?

Bodies Politic: Queer Theory and Literature of the Body

Death, Suicide and Trauma

How useful are these subjects?

 

And then on top of this they want to make it MANDATORY for incoming freshman to read BS material like the Koran or the Laramie Project?

You underestimate the power that the heads of Universities have on young impressionable minds.

I'd rather take calculus.

If you don't want to take them, don't. Nobody will force you to major in the history of witchcraft.
I think it is the duty of a university to make students view the world in a different way, instead of the tunnel-vision they often have when they enter. The subjects you listed above are interesting, if not necessarily useful in obtaining a job.
And on a side note, if nobody was interested in taking those courses, they wouldn't be offered. Perhaps it is the students forcing their views on the teachers and dictating what classes should be offered.

 

[Chris†opher Paul]

What about the sex ed class at that one university where they went on a field trip to a stripe club and the professor got it on with a stripper?

 

[Morat]

  What college is this, might I ask? Where did you get the classes? Almost every college and university of note posts their class schedules and offerings on the web.

   So, what college is it you go to?

 

 

[wildernesse]

Originally posted by Force
Useful more important things, such as?

 

The History of witchcraft and Sorcery From Past to Present

Race and Sport in African-American Life

Feminist Biblical Interpretation

Sex and Death

Marxism: What Is to Be Learned From It?

Bodies Politic: Queer Theory and Literature of the Body

Death, Suicide and Trauma

How useful are these subjects?



And then on top of this they want to make it MANDATORY for incoming freshman to read BS material like the Koran or the Laramie Project?

You underestimate the power that the heads of Universities have on young impressionable minds.

I'd rather take calculus.

These courses aren't taught at most technical schools--and I said if you want to learn something useful and important go there. If you want to learn to think, go to university. A college degree is not the most useful thing in the world. You might argue that critical thinking (that you learn at a university) is, but I see so many people surviving and thriving without it that I'm obliged to say it's not as used in day-to-day life as you might think.

--tibac

 

[Chris†opher Paul]

Originally posted by Morat
  What college is this, might I ask? Where did you get the classes? Almost every college and university of note posts their class schedules and offerings on the web.

   So, what college is it you go to?

 

LOL, it wasnt my school. I went here:

http://www.gmu.edu

This one was in the news about 6 months ago...

 

[Force]

I have never heard of that one!  I dont think the actual getting it on was a part of the class that was probably just misconduct on the prof. part.

STATHYBOY:

What about the stuff you are forced to do?

Force quote:

And then on top of this they want to make it MANDATORY for incoming freshman to read BS material like the Koran or the Laramie Project?


 

 

 

[Chris†opher Paul]

It wasnt, the guy got into trouble for it.

 

[Morat]

Souljah: Sorry, that was a question for Force and the list of classes he listed. I'd imagine some of them are real, if not all of them.

   Death, Suicide and Trauma, for instance, wouldn't be out of place as a course for a psychology degree. It would, of course, be a class dealing with how people react when confronted with the death, suicide or injury of a loved one...

 Force: Why do they want to make it MANDATORY for freshman to take English Comp? Why was it MANDATORY that I take 12 hours of Calculus? Part of college (and university) is learning about stuff you wouldn't ordinarily encounter. Perhaps reading the Laramie Project will help someone deal with the pink-haired punk lesbians living across the hall...

   (PLus, they didn't read the Koran. They read a book about the Koran and Islam. A little bit different).

 

   And you didnt' answer the question: What college or university do you attend, and where did you get those class titles?

 

[HazyRigby]

Originally posted by Force
And then on top of this they want to make it MANDATORY for incoming freshman to read BS material like the Koran or the Laramie Project?

Excuse me? You just called the holy book of the second-largest religion in the world "BS Material"?

I wonder how you would react if people said the same thing about your holy book.

 

[lisa03wilson]

right now I'm a high school senior and I'm in AP Calculus 3. I could tell you easily how to find the area of a parabola rotated around the like x=7, but what good would that do you? I can recite to you every American president in order and tell you at least one important fact about each. But who cares? I know in the real world I am going to have to deal with all kinds of people, and I know that if I want to be a loving Christian I can't make false generalizations about them from rumors I heard who knows where. Why complain about being forced to read a book about Islam? instead, you can go into it with the attitude that if nothing else you will understand where Muslums are comming from in a conversation and perhapes be a better witness to them. It would also be a way to open a conversation with a classmate about religion and maybe eventually Christianity.

As many have said, you don't have to take history of Witchcraft if you don't want. You can study nothing but math and when you graduate go on to teach math because that's about the only thing you could do. But, if you want to prepare yourself for living in the real world with all kinds of people than you need to understand how to learn about and discuss something you disagree with without ranting on and on about how terribal it is. If a Homosexual person were to move in next door to you and want to talk to you every once and a while, you need to understand that he/she probably feels persecuted and hated because past hate crimes. Learning about those crimes does not mean you have to agree with Homosexuality, but it will show when you have to talk to one that you do know what goes on in the world and that you aren't ignorant.

in general it's harder to respect someone who believes what has been handed down to them from birth and always resists learning about other viewpoints. But when someone looks at what else is out there in the world, questions, and then reaffirms that what they have been handed from birth people can respect that and there is a greater chance they will give your beliefs more credit.

 

[wildernesse]

lisa:

That's a great statement! I'm glad that you understand that you can learn about subjects you totally disagree with--in fact, that's the best way to approach life. If you don't learn about other ideas, how do you know that your own ideas and beliefs have merit? Or that the other ideas are wrong?

I wish you the best of luck for the rest of your school year! Have fun.

--tibac