On the other hand, it may be nothing more noble than doing what pleases his girlfriend/wife.He is lending visible support to an issue, that is quite important, much like the press conference held by Muhammad Ali, Bill Russell, Jim Brown, Kareem Abdul-Jabbar and Willie Davis in opposition to the Vietnam War. Given how corporatized sports has become, it's a wonder anyone is making their voice heard, especially considering how the athletes in the WNBA were threatened. .
One would hope that with the right to vote any "uprising" would be the peaceful ballot box.If that oath were taken seriously most likely the military would turn on their own government.
Did this arise because some public figure was seen standing at attention while everyone else in line had his hand over his heart? Although not of the same importance, that was an "issue" with candidates not wearing a flag pin during the last election. IOW, it raised suspicion, logically or illogically, about the beliefs of the person in question although it wasn't actually a violation of any code.I never heard of the hand over heart for the national anthem, that's a new thing, which is why it's odd people are trying to enforce this non-tradition.
He may be doing just what you say. Kap also has terrible numbers and has been subpar since his super bowl appearance.He is lending visible support to an issue, that is quite important, much like the press conference held by Muhammad Ali, Bill Russell, Jim Brown, Kareem Abdul-Jabbar and Willie Davis in opposition to the Vietnam War. Given how corporatized sports has become, it's a wonder anyone is making their voice heard, especially considering how the athletes in the WNBA were threatened. Moreover, how do you know he is not doing more? You've just noticed this action by him, but he's spoken out on issues before.
A movement requires more than a Mother Teresa or someone "going green," it requires policy changes. You complain about Al Gore traveling around the world, but his goal is policy change, which will do more to stem the issues of climate change than not flying in a plane. The goal is not no pollution, it is to change the overall level of pollution, saying his world travel is causing significant pollution is a specious argument. People working on climate change know that encouraging people to use energy saving bulbs in meaningless when they derive all their energy from coal.
Someone mentioned Michael Jordan, but I don't see how he really took a stand on anything. He gave money to a police organization that studies issues and makes policy suggestions to police departments; I don't think the problem requires more study, we know the issue and we know the solutions that work. Likewise, he gave money to the NAACP Legal Defense Fund, which is not working on the issue of police brutality, they're working on an array of issues, but his money would have been better used directed at a group directly working on the problem, like a local chapter of Black Lives Matter. The reality is Jordan gave a corporate statement that doesn't really address the issue and gave money to organizations not directly working on the problem. While these organizations both do good work, and it's good to see someone support their endeavors, let's not pretend as if his actions has any relation to stemming issues of police brutality.
But I agree, more action solidifies your standing on speaking out. But sometimes just standing up is enough, Tommie Smith, Peter Norman and John Carlos were instrumental to movements on human rights. While I don't think his actions rise to the level of Tommie Smith et al., it is not meaningless. I would argue that ad hominem attacks saying an athlete is washed up shows a certain lack of maturity because that is simply lashing out at someone you disagree with.
The only tradition I know of is from my military service. We "present arms" (salute) during the National anthem. Veterans out of uniform place their hand over their heart.I never heard of the hand over heart for the national anthem, that's a new thing, which is why it's odd people are trying to enforce this non-tradition.
You'll need to be clear on what you mean. Hand over your heart for the national anthem is not something I ever heard of, are you suggesting the candidate started this tradition or attacks on the candidate started a tradition to attack him/her?Did this arise because some public figure was seen standing at attention while everyone else in line had his hand over his heart? Although not of the same importance, that was an "issue" with candidates not wearing a flag pin during the last election. IOW, it raised suspicion, logically or illogically, about the beliefs of the person in question although it wasn't actually a violation of any code.
Exactly. He's gotta get his name in the papers somehow. His performance on the field certainly isn't cutting it.He may be doing just what you say. Kap also has terrible numbers and has been subpar since his super bowl appearance.
I've always stood facing the flag for the anthem. But I don't believe there is uniformity on whether to put your hand over your heart. If I'm wearing a hat, I take it off and put it over my heart.You'll need to be clear on what you mean. Hand over your heart for the national anthem is not something I ever heard of, are you suggesting the candidate started this tradition or attacks on the candidate started a tradition to attack him/her?
Not saying it IS the reason but could be one. No one is taking about Kap lately. Folks are talking up Dak but not Kap.Exactly. He's gotta get his name in the papers somehow. His performance on the field certainly isn't cutting it.
The hat thing I know, I think everyone's been taught that since grade school. I am quite interested in its origin, I'm sure it's quite fascinating or absolutely mundane. In my middle school, they had no hat zones, which included classrooms and administrative offices, but hallways, cafteria, etc., hats were allowed.I've always stood facing the flag for the anthem. But I don't believe there is uniformity on whether to put your hand over your heart. If I'm wearing a hat, I take it off and put it over my heart.
Neither. I'm inclined to agree with the observation that this isn't an age-old way of standing when the Anthem is played (and, in fact, I attend ball games where most men simply stand with their hats in hand and no one seems to think they're disrespectful). So what prompted the idea that hand on heart is what should be done?You'll need to be clear on what you mean. Hand over your heart for the national anthem is not something I ever heard of, are you suggesting the candidate started this tradition or attacks on the candidate started a tradition to attack him/her?
So it is a recent addition.Turns out, there's actually federal law about proper conduct during the national anthem:
- When the national anthem is played or sung:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Flag_Code
- Designation: The composition consisting of the words and music known as the Star-Spangled Banner is the national anthem.
- Conduct During Playing: During a rendition of the national anthem:
- When the flag is displayed:[23]
- individuals in uniform should give the military salute at the first note of the anthem and maintain that position until the last note;
- members of the Armed Forces and veterans who are present but not in uniform may render the military salute in the manner provided for individuals in uniform; and
- all other persons present should face the flag and stand at attention with their right hand over the heart, and men not in uniform, if applicable, should remove their headdress with their right hand and hold it at the left shoulder, the hand being over the heart; and
- when the flag is not displayed, all present should face toward the music and act in the same manner they would if the flag were displayed.
So hand over heart is proper and correct.
I'm sorry that your friend's son was unjustly killed while in police custody. That is very sad and shouldn't have happened.Oh, and remember my friend's nephew who was unjustly killed while in police custody? He was white, so I guess he doesn't count in the narrative of police brutality Kaepernick was protesting.
It looks like Tallguy88 got the info, it was enacted into law in 1998, which figures why most people don't know it. I'm guessing school age students will follow the formality.Neither. I'm inclined to agree with the observation that this isn't an age-old way of standing when the Anthem is played (and, in fact, I attend ball games where most men simply stand with their hats in hand and no one seems to think they're disrespectful). So what prompted the idea that hand on heart is what should be done?
Guy protests about oppression and people's first reaction is to dismiss any claims of oppression and then immediately tell him to fall back in line, shut up and play your game or 'git out ma country!'
Whenever I hear the "love it or leave it" trope, my first reaction is to just turn it around on them. "You don't like the new America? Then you can just leave."Yeah, I think that sums it up about right.
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