Siliconaut
Not to be confused with the other Norman Hartnell
Well, one can try to ignore evidence until it goes away.
I did not say this really works...
I did not say this really works...
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Coincidences?
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The flood is a scare tatic (just like hell, s&g). If people get to "evil" then God will go mad and kill everyone. I can assure you as bad as the world was before the flood (not that it was bad) its 50x's worse now, with all the genocide going on in africa and what happened in Bosina (muslims vs christians), USSR (stalin), Hitler (Holocost), Vietnam, Korea, ect....
Ironically most of these events can be traced back to religious differences (as well as some political). Its strange that the very thing that scares people into submission also causes them to commit some of the ugliest catshrophes of all time.
Ironically most of these events can be traced back to religious differences (as well as some political). Its strange that the very thing that scares people into submission also causes them to commit some of the ugliest catshrophes of all time.
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goat37
Skeet, skeet!
The reason why I am here is pretty simple.
I came from the Internet Infidels Message Board, which is 90% atheist/10% theist, and I got tired of being the majority... and it was tough finding good debates over there, because it was always so one sided.
So I figured I would come here and find it the other way around... I am not too sure that's what I found though... seems the majority of the posters in this science, evolution thread are agnostic or atheist.
Maybe I should try the apologetics thread?
I came from the Internet Infidels Message Board, which is 90% atheist/10% theist, and I got tired of being the majority... and it was tough finding good debates over there, because it was always so one sided.
So I figured I would come here and find it the other way around... I am not too sure that's what I found though... seems the majority of the posters in this science, evolution thread are agnostic or atheist.
Maybe I should try the apologetics thread?
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goat37
Skeet, skeet!
Agreed..
All they can do is recite the same garbage that their parents told them, and their parents before them...
They can do no independent thought or research to try to validate what they say, their answer is always the same: "goddidit".
I've never run into a creationist that has been able to make a solid argument for his case. They do more of a sleight of hand parlor trick, and turn it around on you. They will give evidence AGAINST evolution, rather than evidence for creation. I've posted threads on many boards asking for just 1 piece of evidence that would lead us to believe that we are the divine creation of God, and I have never gotten any answer other than something that goes against evolution.
Maybe it's because I like to think, and am above average intelligence that I think the way I do. I just wish that I was able to understand why it is the YEC's and fundies think the way they do. It just always comes off as blatant stupidity.
It really is frustrating, but on the same level it is rather entertaining to debate these people.
All they can do is recite the same garbage that their parents told them, and their parents before them...
They can do no independent thought or research to try to validate what they say, their answer is always the same: "goddidit".
I've never run into a creationist that has been able to make a solid argument for his case. They do more of a sleight of hand parlor trick, and turn it around on you. They will give evidence AGAINST evolution, rather than evidence for creation. I've posted threads on many boards asking for just 1 piece of evidence that would lead us to believe that we are the divine creation of God, and I have never gotten any answer other than something that goes against evolution.
Maybe it's because I like to think, and am above average intelligence that I think the way I do. I just wish that I was able to understand why it is the YEC's and fundies think the way they do. It just always comes off as blatant stupidity.
It really is frustrating, but on the same level it is rather entertaining to debate these people.
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JohnR7
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goat37 said:
We do get a little bit of debate going every now and then, for those who really want to have a discussion and are not here just to represent themselves as an enemy of God and Christianity.
It would appear because of the Holiday weekend, that a lot of people who come here just use their computer at work.
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Evo said:
God is not the reason all the suffering is going on-- religion is. The flood is not a scare tactic- it is what happens when people decide to worship themselves instead of God. Hell is not a scare tactic-- it is the reason why people like you are here- you're not scared are you? As far as the world being 50x's worse then before the flood- I can assure you that the end is coming soon.
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Siliconaut
Not to be confused with the other Norman Hartnell
@Revelation:
As far as the "end of the world" - do you know just how many hundreds, nay thousands of times "the end is nigh" criers have been wrong? Also, the world is not worse than ages ago - and we have religion and other ideologies to make sure it doesn't get any better.
If the flood is an indication of what god regularly does if people rightly choose to ignore him, it's a bloody scare tactic. The concept of hell is a scare tactic, too, used to whip up belief for fear of retribution.
As far as the "end of the world" - do you know just how many hundreds, nay thousands of times "the end is nigh" criers have been wrong? Also, the world is not worse than ages ago - and we have religion and other ideologies to make sure it doesn't get any better.
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I certainly don't think the flood was/is a scare tactic. The people back then wern't scared- and you're not scared of it-- so it dosn't work. Besides- God promised that a flood like that would never happen again--- so what have we got to fear?
As far as hell goes-- you're not scared of that- now are you?-- I havn't seen many people convert just because they fear hell.
Ok Ok Ok- I'll give ya that one-- but I THINK- the end times are near-- prophecy- bible codes- and such.
As far as hell goes-- you're not scared of that- now are you?-- I havn't seen many people convert just because they fear hell.
Ok Ok Ok- I'll give ya that one-- but I THINK- the end times are near-- prophecy- bible codes- and such.
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-Of course not many were scared of the flood, since a global flood never happend.
-One interesting thing to note, is that practically everyone that beliefs in the end times (more so for those who believe in the rapture) believe it will happen in their lifetime.
The rapture doctrine has been interpreted at least three times and has been wrong (around when it was first written in the 1800's, during wwII in the 1900's and just recently during the 1970's).
-ah, yes the famous bible codes, there are also Moby dick codes too. It was funny, the writter of the bible codes made a challenge that no other book would have them. Then people came out with the Moby dick codes and it seemed he got mad and started claiming that the Moby Dick codes werent as good as the bible codes. (I think he was just a sore loser. )
-One interesting thing to note, is that practically everyone that beliefs in the end times (more so for those who believe in the rapture) believe it will happen in their lifetime.
The rapture doctrine has been interpreted at least three times and has been wrong (around when it was first written in the 1800's, during wwII in the 1900's and just recently during the 1970's).
-ah, yes the famous bible codes, there are also Moby dick codes too.
It was funny, the writter of the bible codes made a challenge that no other book would have them. Then people came out with the Moby dick codes and it seemed he got mad and started claiming that the Moby Dick codes werent as good as the bible codes. (I think he was just a sore loser. ) Revelation 22:21 said:
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webboffin said:
It is for science. An example:
Q: What causes illness?
A: Goddidit!
Solution: Try not to annoy God
Result: Massive deaths from illness because the Microorganisms don't care.
Q: What causes illness?
A: Microorganisms.
Solution: Kill the microorganisms.
Result: Modern medicine and the eradication of smallpox.
Science cannot accept 'God did it' as an explanation because it is unfalsifiable and prohibits further investigation.
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Mechanical Bliss
Secrecy and accountability cannot co-exist.
Revelation 22:21 said:
If the world disobeys god, god will flood the earth killing virtually every living thing. That's not using scare tactics?
"Back then" when? I presume you mean before the flood. Why would the be scared of an event they didn't actually know about?
We aren't scared of such an event because we know it didn't actually happen for several reasons and because we know it could never actually happen in the first place, thus it wouldn't happen in the future.
That's just a bit of "genius" from the writers of your religious text. It's like the writer of a fairy tale trying to explain to the reader that elves don't exist anymore, but they used to and that's why they're in the story.
Why would a non-believer be scared of an afterlife that doesn't exist from their perspective? After all, you don't seem to fear the Islamic punishment after death. I bet it was a tactic that might have worked early on in your religion's history by missionaries trying to "spread the word" to primitive cultures, for example.
People have believed this for many centuries.
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God was at a point where he couldn't go back- Satan had gotten a grasp on the world- and God wasn't going to let generations of man to be misled-the world couldn't be saved without taking some extreme action.Mechanical Bliss said:
If they did not know about the event, then how was it a scare tactic? They wouldn't be scared of an event they didn't actually know about-- and if they did- they wouldn't be scared of it anyway- they believed God was nonsence- so they would believe Acts of God were nonsence also.Mechanical Bliss said:
YOU arn't scared of such an event because YOU don't believe in God. If there was/is no God then an even such as a Global flood was/is impossible-- we must remember that it was not nature at work then- it was God Himself-- but if you don't believe in God--- and nature surely couldn't have caused such a flood-- then there is no logical way you can believe in such a flood.Mechanical Bliss said:
Good point--- but it is true that hundreds of sacred douments and texts from many religions mention a gigantic flood somewhere. If the people at that time were scattered over the planet- how did they all manage to write about a similar flood?Mechanical Bliss said:
They arn't scared at all-- but some are scared of an eternity of non-existence. I don't fear the Islamic punishment after death because I'm not Islamic, and I don't fear the Christian Punishment after death because I am a christian- I believe in Christ and will i not be punished for that.-- Yes, I'm sure it was somewhat successful with missionaries-- but I don't view it as a scare tactic-- I view it as truth- and if the truth is scarey, then so be it.Mechanical Bliss said:
Yes I know that-- thats why I say that I THINK- not you think- or we all think-- I have my own reasons why I think the end times are near-- I'm sure people in the past have had their own reasons also.Mechanical Bliss said:
As far as bible codes-- they have predicted Yitzak Rabin's assasination attempt-- for which he was warned at the time. And they also have predicted September 11th. They have the names- Bush- Sharon- Arafat- combined with the word conflict. If nothing happens- and Bush dosn't get elected again- I owe all of you guys a drink.
Look at the Democratic nominees--LOL YEA RIGHT!- whos gunna win? Al Sharpten!!??
Remember-- this is all my opnion-- not fact- truth- or any type of offence-- you can believe what you want- and I will believe what I want--- we all know its really fun to debate
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