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Codependent is a psychological condition. It is usually viewed as a bad thing, It is where a person is dependent of something in order to function. A person with this condition does not have a view of their independent self, but rather what they are dependent on makes up the persons whole self. This is usually a Husband, Wife, Mother , or Father, and can even be brothers and sisters and even things. We have all seen wives or children take on the qualities of their spouse or parents. This does not mean a person is codependent but is a warning sign.

I always viewed this as a bad thing. My mother was this way for years, my mother inlaw is this way now. Both women are dependent on men in order to function in the world, with out them they fall apart. When they meet a man they take on his identity. Which can be seen in they like everything the man likes they change themselves to fit what the man likes. As I thought about this it came to me this is our relationship with God.

From the moment we accept God we try to lay down our will, put our old self to death, which is the flesh self, and live spiritually. We are to take on the qualities of God, our self is no longer made up of our self, but our relationship with God. We lose our own identity. God becomes the focus of our lives. We change to please God, we take up our cross, and put our old self to death. We become codependent on God.

Now that I am a aware of this, and codependent runs in my family, it is easy to let go of my self, and embrace God fully. I do not need to be an individual. I am made up of a Heaven family, by living in Gods will.

The OT is all about God showing us are need for him, or our dependence on Him.

We became separate from God the day Adam ate the Fruit. The second Adam, Jesus Christ, Brought our connection back to God to once again become part of the Tree of Life once again. People fight so hard to be independent yet they get lonely when they achieve this. That is because we are all meant to be connected through God. God said it is not good for man to be alone. Our spiritual nature is one of fellowship, we are social creations. We love to interact with each other. We are meant to be codependent on God. To be plugged into Life. That is the goal.
 

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Codependent is a psychological condition. It is usually viewed as a bad thing, It is where a person is dependent of something in order to function. A person with this condition does not have a view of their independent self, but rather what they are dependent on makes up the persons whole self. This is usually a Husband, Wife, Mother , or Father, and can even be brothers and sisters and even things. We have all seen wives or children take on the qualities of their spouse or parents. This does not mean a person is codependent but is a warning sign.

I always viewed this as a bad thing. My mother was this way for years, my mother inlaw is this way now. Both women are dependent on men in order to function in the world, with out them they fall apart. When they meet a man they take on his identity. Which can be seen in they like everything the man likes they change themselves to fit what the man likes. As I thought about this it came to me this is our relationship with God.

From the moment we accept God we try to lay down our will, put our old self to death, which is the flesh self, and live spiritually. We are to take on the qualities of God, our self is no longer made up of our self, but our relationship with God. We lose our own identity. God becomes the focus of our lives. We change to please God, we take up our cross, and put our old self to death. We become codependent on God.

Now that I am a aware of this, and codependent runs in my family, it is easy to let go of my self, and embrace God fully. I do not need to be an individual. I am made up of a Heaven family, by living in Gods will.

The OT is all about God showing us are need for him, or our dependence on Him.

We became separate from God the day Adam ate the Fruit. The second Adam, Jesus Christ, Brought our connection back to God to once again become part of the Tree of Life once again. People fight so hard to be independent yet they get lonely when they achieve this. That is because we are all meant to be connected through God. God said it is not good for man to be alone. Our spiritual nature is one of fellowship, we are social creations. We love to interact with each other. We are meant to be codependent on God. To be plugged into Life. That is the goal.

So what does God "depend" on us for? I don't see codependency nor interdependency when I look at the Gospel.
 
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We are all dependent upon God for our creation and our existence, but the Christian faith also teaches us to that we are part of a social system ("no man is an island"), and that we are dependent upon one another and have responsibilities towards one another. Within the church, it is often the fellowship of other Christians which helps to keep us strong.
 
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So what does God "depend" on us for? I don't see codependency nor interdependency when I look at the Gospel.

You think God depends on us for anything, wow are you lost. i looked at your profile and your a new Christian from what i gather 5 -6 years or so. Maybe be quick to listen and seek to understand would serve you better. That is not a lot of time in the faith.

Or maybe its you just want to argue with everything I say.

well it must not be true sense you don't see is that what your are saying^_^
 
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You think God depends on us for anything, wow are you lost.

Codependency involves two (or more) people though, and according to the thread title, you are suggesting that.

Today, however, the term has broadened to describe any co-dependent person from any dysfunctional family.

http://mentalhealthamerica.net/co-dependency

Does being a Christian display the following?

Characteristics of Co-dependent People Are:

An exaggerated sense of responsibility for the actions of others
A tendency to confuse love and pity, with the tendency to “love” people they can pity and rescue
A tendency to do more than their share, all of the time
A tendency to become hurt when people don’t recognize their efforts
An unhealthy dependence on relationships. The co-dependent will do anything to hold on to a relationship; to avoid the feeling of abandonment
An extreme need for approval and recognition
A sense of guilt when asserting themselves
A compelling need to control others
Lack of trust in self and/or others
Fear of being abandoned or alone
Difficulty identifying feelings
Rigidity/difficulty adjusting to change
Problems with intimacy/boundaries
Chronic anger
Lying/dishonesty
Poor communications
Difficulty making decisions

In fact, a codependent person does not produce good fruit, they produce bad fruit. Codependency is in it's nature, selfish.

How about we define codependency before tossing the word around shall we? I think what you're trying to say is that we are simply dependent on God, not codependent (as it is defined), nor interdependent.

Not at all...you've just said a lot of things I don't agree with or find errant (like your use of "your" and "you're") ^_^ Not trolling you man, just stating the facts.
 
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Absolutely no and thats my point. Codependency involves two people though, and according to the thread title, you are suggesting that.

Codependent takes one person who is independent and another who is dependent on that person. It does not mean both people are codependent because one is.
 
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Absolutely no and thats my point. Codependency involves two (or more) people though, and according to the thread title, you are suggesting that.



Co-Dependency | Mental Health America

How about we define codependency before tossing the word around shall we? Are you actually talking about interdependency?

Not at all...you've just said a lot of things I don't agree with or find errant ^_^ Not trolling you man.

How does that negate anything I said? That psychology says it dysfunctional. I did not dispute that is what it says in fact said it said that. What I said is with God it is not only functional but necessary.

I see you have limit knowledge of it and read something online now want to argue it. How ever I have degree in Human Services. I have worked with people with many conditions I understand them just fine. So if between the two of us it is you who have a lack of knowledge and do not understand so you want to argue because you don't see. Maybe try listening. Instead of saying prove to me like a atheist.
 
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Codependent takes one person who is independent and another who is dependent on that person. It does not mean both people are codependent because one is.

They enable the behavior though...see edit above.

Limited knowledge? Well, I had dealt with codependency until the age of 25, so I speak from first hand experience. I think I'm making a fuss about this because you're saying "it's okay to be codependent" but it doesn't fit the definition...nor is it okay.

Not saying prove, but if you, being in Human Services, know the symptoms of such behavior (as listed above), can you outline for us how they fit in a Christian lifestyle please?
 
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They enable the behavior though...see edit above.

Limited knowledge? Well, I had dealt with codependency until the age of 25, so I speak from first hand experience.

Not saying prove, but if you, being in Human Services, know the symptoms of such behavior (as listed above), can you outline for us how they fit in a Christian lifestyle please?

already did that with my post i'm sorry you don't understand. Jesus said that His will was only to do The Father's will. That is the goal to lay down our will and take on God's that is what it means to follow God. Maybe one day you'll understand.
 
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already did that with my post i'm sorry you don't understand. Jesus said that His will was only to do The Father's will. That is the goal to lay down our will and take on God's that is what it means to follow God. Maybe one day you'll understand.

Complete and utter dependency on God? I can get behind that man :thumbsup:
 
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Complete and utter dependency on God? I can get behind that man :thumbsup:

Well then I feel sorry for you, because you will never know freedom. It is a paradox. Like I said Jesus came to show us the way and what He showed was complete dependence on God. If your not dependent on God then its satan by default, man is not an Angel nor supernatural being or God. Man is not independent its an illusion. The paradox is that true freedom comes by being a slave to God. It is ok if you don't understand i have 30 years in faith and much pain and suffering to see this. In the end it is not I who can show this to you but God alone. I would like to but that is my will and it is not my will be done, but God's will be done.

Seek truth and you will find it.
 
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Well then I feel sorry for you, because you will never know freedom. It is a paradox. Like I said Jesus came to show us the way and what He showed was complete dependence on God. If your not dependent on God then its satan by default, man is not an Angel nor supernatural being or God. Man is not independent its an illusion. The paradox is that true freedom comes by being a slave to God. It is ok if you don't understand i have 30 years in faith and much pain and suffering to see this. In the end it is not I who can show this to you but God alone. I would like to but that is my will and it is not my will be done, but God's will be done.

Seek truth and you will find it.

I completely agree (which "I can get behind that" means)

Paul tells us

Romans 6:19
I am using an example from everyday life because of your human limitations. Just as you used to offer yourselves as slaves to impurity and to ever-increasing wickedness, so now offer yourselves as slaves to righteousness leading to holiness.

Im not arguing with you...Im agreeing with you (as long as we are using "complete/total/utter dependency" and not "codependency")

We are either slaves to sin or slaves to righteousness...either way, we are slaves to our nature.
 
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I completely agree (which "I can get behind that" means)

Paul tells us

Romans 6:19
I am using an example from everyday life because of your human limitations. Just as you used to offer yourselves as slaves to impurity and to ever-increasing wickedness, so now offer yourselves as slaves to righteousness leading to holiness.

Im not arguing with you...Im agreeing with you (as long as we are using "complete/total/utter dependency" and not "codependency")

We are either slaves to sin or slaves to righteousness...either way, we are slaves to our nature.

I was attempting to show how in psychological terms we are codependent on God. That being we can not function with out him, could you not say in modern term a slave is codependent? If he chose to be a slave. He can do nothing on his own, if he was on his own, he would be lost. The base for codependency is a person can not function with out the object of their dependence. We can not function with out God. For children of God, at least with me, I don't know who I am with out God. I became an atheist for 6 months and everything was easy and I knew it would go bad if I prayed, but I had to talk to God, I love Him and was lost with out Him. We are lost with out God, that is what it means to be lost. So you don't think that fits into modern terms of codependency?

I think it does.

I would like to point out you check what I said about being a slave to God and did it not fit with scripture?
 
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John 15:5

No a slave to God does not exhibit the following behavior

An exaggerated sense of responsibility for the actions of others
A tendency to confuse love and pity, with the tendency to “love” people they can pity and rescue
A tendency to do more than their share, all of the time
A tendency to become hurt when people don’t recognize their efforts
An unhealthy dependence on relationships. The co-dependent will do anything to hold on to a relationship; to avoid the feeling of abandonment
An extreme need for approval and recognition
A sense of guilt when asserting themselves
A compelling need to control others
Lack of trust in self and/or others
Fear of being abandoned or alone
Difficulty identifying feelings
Rigidity/difficulty adjusting to change
Problems with intimacy/boundaries
Chronic anger
Lying/dishonesty
Poor communications
Difficulty making decisions


^^^Christians do not do this. These are documented symptoms of codependent behavior. What you are referring to is simply "total dependency," not "codependency."

...with all due respect sir. I feel I may have been coming off argumentative and harsh and I will try and watch my "online tone" when replying to your posts from now on. Sorry.
 
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John 15:5

No a slave to God does not exhibit the following behavior

An exaggerated sense of responsibility for the actions of others
A tendency to confuse love and pity, with the tendency to “love” people they can pity and rescue
A tendency to do more than their share, all of the time
A tendency to become hurt when people don’t recognize their efforts
An unhealthy dependence on relationships. The co-dependent will do anything to hold on to a relationship; to avoid the feeling of abandonment
An extreme need for approval and recognition
A sense of guilt when asserting themselves
A compelling need to control others
Lack of trust in self and/or others
Fear of being abandoned or alone
Difficulty identifying feelings
Rigidity/difficulty adjusting to change
Problems with intimacy/boundaries
Chronic anger
Lying/dishonesty
Poor communications
Difficulty making decisions


^^^Christians do not do this. These are documented symptoms of codependent behavior. What you are referring to is simply "total dependency," not "codependency."

...with all due respect sir. I feel I may have been coming off argumentative and harsh and I will try and watch my "online tone" when replying to your posts from now on. Sorry.

I suppose it is subjective sense religion throws out all psychological assessments.

but I could argue

1. People-pleasing. It’s fine to want to please someone you care about, but codependents usually don’t think they have a choice. Saying “No” causes them anxiety. Some codependents have a hard time saying “No” to anyone. They go out of their way and sacrifice their own needs to accommodate other people.

2.Caretaking. Another effect of poor boundaries is that if someone else has a problem, you want to help them to the point that you give up yourself. It’s natural to feel empathy and sympathy for someone, but codependents start putting other people ahead of themselves. In fact, they need to help and might feel rejected if another person doesn’t want help. Moreover, they keep trying to help and fix the other person, even when that person clearly isn’t taking their advice.

3.Control.Control helps codependents feel safe and secure. Everyone needs some control over events in their life. You wouldn’t want to live in constant uncertainty and chaos, but for codependents, control limits their ability to take risks and share their feelings. Sometimes they have an addiction that either helps them loosen up, like alcoholism, or helps them hold their feelings down, like workaholism, so that they don’t feel out of control.Codependents also need to control those close to them, because they need other people to behave in a certain way to feel okay. In fact, people-pleasing and care-taking can be used to control and manipulate people. Alternatively, codependents are bossy and tell you what you should or shouldn’t do. This is a violation of someone else’s boundary.

this is a synonym Christians often stuff their emotions for an ideal of how they should be.

I am stopping her because that last statement made me think maybe you are right.

Maybe the correct statement is dependency and those who are weak in faith or wolves in sheep clothing become codependent. When in fact it is complete dependence.

Awesome just Awesome, i learned something. Awesome Thank you very much sir.

Thank you for working that out with me.

I did think you were arguing just to be arguing. I guess being attack so much i started to view everything as an attack. so I am sorry for the misunderstanding I will ask what you mean next time.

You are right and it was I who was wrong, but a truth has been found. There are those who are wrong in the church and are codependent. and those who are right and dependent. Maybe codependent show something wrong spiritually. So maybe Psychology can be used in religion as well.
 
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You are right and it was I who was wrong, but a truth has been found. There are those who are wrong in the church and are codependent. and those who are right and dependent. Maybe codependent show something wrong spiritually. So maybe Psychology can be used in religion as well.

And for that I sincerely apologize and hope you can forgive me. I look forward to intelligent and insightful discussions and debates with you. :thumbsup: I will try to mind my tone.

I agree with your above assessment though. We cannot rely on ourselves, but the Spirit that dwells within us to guide, lead, and YES CONTROL us. People-pleasing as only as it's not worldly ;)
 
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And for that I sincerely apologize and hope you can forgive me. I look forward to intelligent and insightful discussions and debates with you. :thumbsup: I will try to mind my tone.

I agree with your above assessment though. We cannot rely on ourselves, but the Spirit that dwells within us to guide, lead, and YES CONTROL us. People-pleasing as only as it's not worldly ;)

You always have my forgiveness, but no need for it, it was just a misunderstanding, you have not sinned against me. I need to watch my tone more than you i think:p

That is great i finally learned something on here from a post a post I did finally became fruitful, and not just an all out battle, Thank you for that.

I see you understand the greater Goal of complete dependency on God. I thank God for that I was worried you did not know of this. God is Good.

I hope we can be a blessing to each other and learn from each other in the future.

Your from Georgia right. i won't hold that against you;) Just about my whole family is from there, and I lived in Atlanta for 8 years it was the worse time of my life. The people i ran into there I found cruel, mostly from my own family, but that might just be the city lot of New Yorkers there lol;)
any way good post and thank you.
 
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