Co-Redeemer?

[HisBelovedMelody]

Read the OT, God is called Lord...

You people are unbelievable..

SO are you friend...so are you. BELIEVE what you will repentant...know what? I DON"T really care any more.

 

[IamAdopted]

Okay now back to the subject at hand tee hee.. Co-redeemer. Mary did not share in the blood that was shed at calvary. This is how man is redeemed is by the shed blood of Christ.

 

[HisBelovedMelody]

Okay now back to the subject at hand tee hee.. Co-redeemer. Mary did not share in the blood that was shed at calvary. This is how man is redeemed is by the shed blood of Christ.

exactly. Thank you.

 

[repentant]

SO are you friend...so are you. BELIEVE what you will repentant...know what? I DON"T really care any more.

Sorry I am not the one saying Jesus is not God, and that Lord does not mean God...

 

[repentant]

Okay now back to the subject at hand tee hee.. Co-redeemer. Mary did not share in the blood that was shed at calvary. This is how man is redeemed is by the shed blood of Christ.

I don't prescribe to the co redeemer thing, but what you say here to argue it, does not work.

 

[HisBelovedMelody]

Sorry I am not the one saying Jesus is not God, and that Lord does not mean God...

NEITHER am I! I said Jesus IS 100% GOD and HUMAN! I AM NOT SEPERATING THEM!!!!!!!!!!

 

[Benedicta00]

LORD...where does that say GOD??? NOT?? OH..ok..thanks.

Melody, please...

1And the Lord spoke all these words:
2 I am the Lord thy God, who brought thee out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage.

2 And the Lord appeared to him in a flame of fire out of the midst of a bush: and he saw that the bush was on fire and was not burnt

Where do you get that God is not the Lord and that Lord means something different than God?

11The Lord said to him: Who made man's mouth? or who made the dumb and the deaf, the seeing and the blind? did not I?

6T herefore say to the children of Israel: I am the Lord who will bring you out from the work prison of the Egyptians, and will deliver you from bondage: and redeem you with a high arm, and great judgments

3 And Moses went up to God: and the Lord called unto him from the mountain, and said: Thus shalt thou say to the house of Jacob, and tell the children of Israel:

 

[Benedicta00]

Okay now back to the subject at hand tee hee.. Co-redeemer. Mary did not share in the blood that was shed at calvary. This is how man is redeemed is by the shed blood of Christ.

and Catholics agree.

 

[repentant]

NEITHER am I! I said Jesus IS 100% GOD and HUMAN! I AM NOT SEPERATING THEM!!!!!!!!!!

You are when you say Mary is not the Mother of God..

 

[repentant]

Melody, please...





Where do you get that God is not the Lord and that Lord means something different than God?

Thanks for that, I didn't feel like posting something so blatantly obvious..

 

[Benedicta00]

well who is Gods father then? If mary is Gods mother who is His father? Mary is the mother of Christ. This is the truth. God is His father. This is the truth. He was conceived by the HS. this is truth.

The bible says she conceived in her womb by the power of the Holy Spirit the God-man. That makes her his (the God-man) mother by the power of the Holy Spirit.

 

[repentant]

The bible says she convinced in her womb by the power of the Holy Spirit the God-man. That makes her his (the God-man) mother by the power of the Holy Spirit.

She was convinced?

 

[Benedicta00]

We can simply leave it at these people are Nestorists. They claim they are not seperating His Humanity and Divinity, but they are. If you cannot seperate His Humanity and Divinty, the you can not seperate the motherhood of Mary as being only Jesus', and not Gods. But you are. This is Nestoriasm, plain and simple..Jesus is God, Mary is His Mother. His flesh in which He was born with, died with, ressurected with, ascended with, and now sits at the right hand of the Father with, was given to Him by the egg and DNA of Mary..

False Dilemma (Either-Or Fallacy, Black and White Fallacy).

As we explain in the section on options, whenever you are presented with two possibilities, it is crucial to establish whether those possibilities are contradictions, contraries, or choices. Presenting two options as if they were contradictions or contraries, when in fact they are not, is the common fallacy of false dilemma--so called because the "dilemma," or hard choice between two options, is "false," because other options than the two offered are possible. This fallacy is also known as the "either-or fallacy" because it makes you think that your options are limited to either one or the other.

This is what we are dealing with.

 

[Benedicta00]

She was convinced?

My bad

 

[repentant]

False Dilemma (Either-Or Fallacy, Black and White Fallacy).

This is what we are dealing with.

Well I wouldn't say that, because neither statement is false, both are true...Jesus is God, and Mary is the Mother of God..both true statements. No other possibility exists.

But to say that Jesus is God, but mary is NOT the Mother of God, is a contradiction..

 

[Benedicta00]

Well I wouldn't say that, because neither statement is false, both are true...Jesus is God, and Mary is the Mother of God..both true statements. No other possibility exists.

But to say that Jesus is God, but mary is NOT the Mother of God, is a contradiction..

Right that's what I meant.. it's bogus.

Mary can only be mother of his humanity and not mother of His divinity. Just how does that work with out denying that he's one divine person?

It doesn't work without creating a false premise, dilemma, what ever you want to call it. It's bogus.

 

[IamAdopted]

Right that's what I meant.. it's bogus.

Mary can only be mother of his humanity and not mother of His divinity. Just how does that work with out denying that he's one divine person?

It doesn't work without creating a false premise, dilemma, what ever you want to call it. It's bogus.

But yet no where in scripture do we find this. So We are to take what someone else says about her and take is as the gospel truth? She is called the Mother of Jesus. Therefore that is what she is and I agree. She was the mother of Jesus. Mother of God twists what Scripture would have us to believe about her.

 

[Benedicta00]

But yet no where in scripture do we find this. So We are to take what someone else says about her and take is as the gospel truth? She is called the Mother of Jesus. Therefore that is what she is and I agree. She was the mother of Jesus. Mother of God twists what Scripture would have us to believe about her.

Yes where, we see it in scripture, IAA.

31 Behold thou shalt conceive in thy womb, and shalt bring forth a son; and thou shalt call his name Jesus.

32 He shall be great, and shall be called the Son of the most High; and the Lord God shall give unto him the throne of David his father; and he shall reign in the house of Jacob for ever.

33 And of his kingdom there shall be no end.

34A nd Mary said to the angel: How shall this be done, because I know not man?

35 And the angel answering, said to her: The Holy Ghost shall come upon thee, and the power of the most High shall overshadow thee. And therefore also the Holy which shall be born of thee shall be called the Son of God.

43And whence is this to me, that the mother of my Lord should come to me?

Did Elizabeth have some other Lord different from God?

 

[repentant]

Fact is Elizabeth was never rebuked by Mary or anyone else, so obviously it was correct. There would be no reason for Luke to put that in there, if it was false, and she was not rebuked..so by his addition of this statement of Elizabeth, he is showing that Jesus is the Lord God, and Elizabeth knew, allthough she was never told..

 

[Benedicta00]

This is just a blatant denial of scripture is what this is.

"I am the Lord thy God..."

"What is it to me that the mother of my Lord should come to me..."

It's not even up for debate. Mary is mother of our Lord, the Lord thy God.