Co-Redeemer?

[xtreN]

Welcome Xtren.

Good answer.
I too believe there is
one redeemer.
We are redeemed by the blood
of the Lamb.

sunlover

hi! and thanks for the welcome.

Great Thread!


xtreN

JESUS IS LORD!

 

[lionroar0]

But it is not God who was in the womb of Mary but the Word of God. He was made flesh. Where His people of old carried Gods word in a box made of Gopher wood being God with us He then made His word to be contained in Human likeness. Jesus being translated God with us. And now that He had died and been resurrected we also are born from above through the Holy Spirit. Christ in us the Hope of Glory.

Yes it is was God who was in the womb of Mary. Jesus is God.

Do you belive that Jesus is God?

Peace

 

[repentant]

Obviously not.

I thought one had to confess and believe the Creed to be considered a Christian on here...

And in one Lord Jesus Christ, the only-begotten Son of God, begotten of the Father before all ages.

Light of Light, true God of true God, begotten not created, of one essence with the Father through Whom all things were made.

Who for us men and for our salvation came down from heaven and was incarnate of the Holy Spirit and the Virgin Mary and became man.

 

[IamAdopted]

Yes it is was God who was in the womb of Mary. Jesus is God.

Do you belive that Jesus is God?

Peace

Once again it is like a dog chasing its tail.. Around and around we go where we stop nobody knows.. LOL.. Jesus Is indeed emmanuel. God is with us..

 

[repentant]

So then it's settled, Mary is the Mother of God..


O pure and virgin Lady, O Lady Theotokos, Rejoice, O unwedded Bride!
O Virgin Mother, Queen of all, O dewy fleece which is sacred, Rejoice, O unwedded Bride!
O height transcending heaven above, O beam of light most radiant, Rejoice, O unwedded Bride!
O joy of chaste and virgin maids, surpassing all the angels, Rejoice, O unwedded Bride!

 

[Mobiosity]

So then it's settled, Mary is the Mother of God..


O pure and virgin Lady, O Lady Theotokos, Rejoice, O unwedded Bride!
O Virgin Mother, Queen of all, O dewy fleece which is sacred, Rejoice, O unwedded Bride!
O height transcending heaven above, O beam of light most radiant, Rejoice, O unwedded Bride!
O joy of chaste and virgin maids, surpassing all the angels, Rejoice, O unwedded Bride!

I don't believe that was ever in question.

 

[IamAdopted]

So then it's settled, Mary is the Mother of God..


O pure and virgin Lady, O Lady Theotokos, Rejoice, O unwedded Bride!
O Virgin Mother, Queen of all, O dewy fleece which is sacred, Rejoice, O unwedded Bride!
O height transcending heaven above, O beam of light most radiant, Rejoice, O unwedded Bride!
O joy of chaste and virgin maids, surpassing all the angels, Rejoice, O unwedded Bride!

No where has this been settled repentant. Show me where any of the Apostles ever spoke of her as the mother of God? Show me where Jesus ever did this? The scriptures show us that she is the earthly mother of Jesus. Earthly because until He came to earth He had no mother. Now that He has asscended He still has no mother. He went back to where He was before He came. Back to the Father. He descended and He asscended. She was His mother for His time on earth.

 

[lionroar0]

No where has this been settled repentant. Show me where any of the Apostles ever spoke of her as the mother of God? Show me where Jesus ever did this? The scriptures show us that she is the earthly mother of Jesus. Earthly because until He came to earth He had no mother. Now that He has asscended He still has no mother. He went back to where He was before He came. Back to the Father. He descended and He asscended. She was His mother for His time on earth.

Yes Jesus did have a mother. That mother is Mary. Mary gave birth to Jesus who is God on this earth.

Jesus is God. Therefore Mary is the Mother of God.

You are confusing creation with birth.

No mother creates their children. Mary did not create Jesus she gave birth to Jesus who is God.

The Apostles also never spoke of the Trinity and neither did Jesus.

But the Scriptures clearly show this Scriptural Truth.

The Scriptures never say that Mary is the Mother of God, but they clearly show this Scriptural Truth.

Because something is not explicitly mentionted in Scripture it does not mean that it is not there.

Mary can, rightly and correctly be called the Mother of God.

Jesus does have a mother in heaven and that mother's name is Mary.

Jesus still has the same body that He was born with. This body came from Mary.

Show us in Scripture where He has a different body.

He decended and took on Human nature from Mary and when He ascended He took that Human nauture with Him.


Peace

 

[IamAdopted]

Yes Jesus did have a mother. That mother is Mary. Mary gave birth to Jesus who is God on this earth.

Jesus is God. Therefore Mary is the Mother of God.

You are confusing creation with birth.

No mother creates their children. Mary did not create Jesus she gave birth to Jesus who is God.

The Apostles also never spoke of the Trinity and neither did Jesus.

But the Scriptures clearly show this Scriptural Truth.

The Scriptures never say that Mary is the Mother of God, but they clearly show this Scriptural Truth.

Because something is not explicitly mentionted in Scripture it does not mean that it is not there.

Mary can, rightly and correctly be called the Mother of God.

Jesus does have a mother in heaven and that mother's name is Mary.

Jesus still has the same body that He was born with. This body came from Mary.

Show us in Scripture where He has a different body.

He decended and took on Human nature from Mary and when He ascended He took that Human nauture with Him.


Peace

I doubt that Jesus has a mother in Heaven for we are all called brothers and sisters. We all have one Father. The bible tells us who our mother is in Galatians 4.

21Tell me, you who want to be under the law, are you not aware of what the law says? 22For it is written that Abraham had two sons, one by the slave woman and the other by the free woman. 23His son by the slave woman was born in the ordinary way; but his son by the free woman was born as the result of a promise.

24These things may be taken figuratively, for the women represent two covenants. One covenant is from Mount Sinai and bears children who are to be slaves: This is Hagar. 25Now Hagar stands for Mount Sinai in Arabia and corresponds to the present city of Jerusalem, because she is in slavery with her children. 26But the Jerusalem that is above is free, and she is our mother. 27For it is written:
"Be glad, O barren woman,
who bears no children;
break forth and cry aloud,
you who have no labor pains;
because more are the children of the desolate woman
than of her who has a husband." 28Now you, brothers, like Isaac, are children of promise. 29At that time the son born in the ordinary way persecuted the son born by the power of the Spirit. It is the same now. 30But what does the Scripture say? "Get rid of the slave woman and her son, for the slave woman's son will never share in the inheritance with the free woman's son." 31Therefore, brothers, we are not children of the slave woman, but of the free woman.

 

[HisBelovedMelody]

IAA give it up! They will never get it! If they are calling her co redeemer, they aren't going to get that it is Sarah who is our mother..according to Galatians like you said. Just give it up.

 

[Mobiosity]

IAA give it up! They will never get it! If they are calling her co redeemer, they aren't going to get that it is Sarah who is our mother..according to Galatians like you said. Just give it up.

Okay, now I'm confused. I thought to discussion was about Mary, Jesus' mother. Who brought in Sarah? I thought I was keeping up with this thread. Help I'm lost (again).

 

[IamAdopted]

Okay, now I'm confused. I thought to discussion was about Mary, Jesus' mother. Who brought in Sarah? I thought I was keeping up with this thread. Help I'm lost (again).

Tee Hee you are okay.. I put Galatians 4 in a Post. From what I read in this I see that the covenant and not Sarah is our mother. but this is a different subject. LOL. Would be a good one though.

 

[HisBelovedMelody]

Mary IS Jesus' mother...I am still waiting for BIBLE WORD that says, she is God's! NO where. I DO believe Jesus IS 100% God and 100% man...so relax..I am not seperating it.

 

[Benedicta00]

No where has this been settled repentant. Show me where any of the Apostles ever spoke of her as the mother of God? Show me where Jesus ever did this? The scriptures show us that she is the earthly mother of Jesus. Earthly because until He came to earth He had no mother. Now that He has asscended He still has no mother. He went back to where He was before He came. Back to the Father. He descended and He asscended. She was His mother for His time on earth.

And whence is this to me, that the mother of my Lord should come to me?

Jesus is still fully human in heaven.

It has been long settled since Ephesus in 431.

For you, it will never be settled because of the conflicting dilemma you have made for yourself.

You know Jesus is one divine person but yet you say, Mary is only mother to half of the person, the human one... we'll Jesus is not a human person, he is a divine person who is fully human.

So any way you slice it... you come up with a conflicting dilemma.

If Jesus is God and is one person who has two natures, then Mary by default is God's mother because human beings do not conceive, give DNA to, and birth natures. They conceive, give DNA to and birth to the whole person.

And we have already been through the illogical notion that saying Mary is mother of God, says she created the creator.

This is a truly a non issue because humans can not create any one anyway, we can only procreate with God. Which means God is who has creates them, we just conceive them, give them our DNA and birth them.

This is precisely what Mary did. The second person of the Holy Trinity always existed and by the power of the HS, Mary convinced Him in her womb, gave Him human DNA and then birthed him. She also went on to have a mother-child bond/relationship with Him through rearing him as any good mother would.

I know you have this belief that Jesus separate Himself from having any earthy ties including his own mother.

This is unfounded, completely ascriptual and there is absolutely no basis for it.

 

[Benedicta00]

Mary IS Jesus' mother...I am still waiting for BIBLE WORD that says, she is God's! NO where. I DO believe Jesus IS 100% God and 100% man...so relax..I am not seperating it.

And whence is this to me, that the mother of my Lord should come to me?

.

 

[HisBelovedMelody]

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LORD...where does that say GOD??? NOT?? OH..ok..thanks.

 

[IamAdopted]

Jesus is still fully human in heaven.

It has been long settled since Ephesus in 431.

For you, it will never be settled because of the conflicting dilemma you have made for yourself.

You know Jesus is one divine person but yet you say, Mary is only mother to half of the person, the human one... we'll Jesus is not a human person, he is a divine person who is fully human.

So any way you slice it... you come up with a conflicting dilemma.

If Jesus is God and is one person who has two natures, then Mary by default is God's mother because human beings do not conceive, give DNA to, and birth natures. They conceive, give DNA to and birth to the whole person.

And we have already been through the illogical notion that saying Mary is mother of God, says she created the creator.

This is a truly a non issue because humans can not create any one anyway, we can only procreate with God. Which means God is who has creates them, we just conceive them, give them our DNA and birth them.

This is precisely what Mary did. The second person of the Holy Trinity always existed and by the power of the HS, Mary convinced Him in her womb, gave Him human DNA and then birthed him. She also went on to have a mother-child bond/relationship with Him through rearing him as any good mother would.

I know you have this belief that Jesus separate Himself from having any earthy ties including his own mother.

This is unfounded, completely ascriptual and there is absolutely no basis for it.

well who is Gods father then? If mary is Gods mother who is His father? Mary is the mother of Christ. This is the truth. God is His father. This is the truth. He was conceived by the HS. this is truth.

 

[repentant]

We can simply leave it at these people are Nestorists. They claim they are not seperating His Humanity and Divinity, but they are. If you cannot seperate His Humanity and Divinty, the you can not seperate the motherhood of Mary as being only Jesus', and not Gods. But you are. This is Nestoriasm, plain and simple..Jesus is God, Mary is His Mother. His flesh in which He was born with, died with, ressurected with, ascended with, and now sits at the right hand of the Father with, was given to Him by the egg and DNA of Mary..

 

[repentant]

LORD...where does that say GOD??? NOT?? OH..ok..thanks.

Read the OT, God is called Lord...

You people are unbelievable..

 

[repentant]

The fact here you deny Mary is God's mother because Catholics and Orthodox say it, and you believe somehow this an elevation of Mary. And in your fear that we worship Mary by saying this, you wil say anything to reject it. Even at the expense of denying the Divinty of Jesus our LORD and GOD..