Co-Redeemer?

[sunlover1]

Sunlover,

Again, you have created another contradiction. Comen with sola scripture.

I have no problem with ECF history, so
please don't accuse me of some doctrine
called sola scriptura.

Yes, we will so we have to re think what Isaiah was really meaning here

What did it mean when God said?:

Isaiah 42:8
8 I am the LORD:
that is my name:
and my glory will I not give to another,
neither my praise to graven images.

Do you believe that He will share His glory
with anyone?
Even mary?

 

[Benedicta00]

I have no problem with ECF history, so
please don't accuse me of some doctrine
called sola scriptura.



What did it mean when God said?:

Isaiah 42:8
8 I am the LORD:
that is my name:
and my glory will I not give to another,
neither my praise to graven images.

Do you believe that He will share His glory
with anyone?
Even mary?

I think we all will have a share God's glory.

In heaven and when it's complete at the Resurrection.

What is Isaiah meaning? Well let's look at the context, let's not pull a single verse out and apply it at random.

5Thus saith the Lord God that created the heavens, and stretched them out: that established the earth, and the things that spring out of it: that giveth breath to the people upon it, and spirit to them that tread thereon.

6I the Lord have called thee in justice, and taken thee by the hand, and preserved thee. And I have given thee for a covenant of the people, for a light of the Gentiles:

7That thou mightest open the eyes of the blind, and bring forth the prisoner out of prison, and them that sit in darkness out of the prison house.

8I the Lord, this is my name: I will not give my glory to another, nor my praise to graven things.

It seems to me that God is affirming what we know... Jesus Christ is who he will be glorified through His pasion death and when he rises from the dead.

Now how does this mean that when we are born again in Christ, we are not promised a share in Christ's glory?

If you are going to self interpret, Beware of interpreting single verses to narrow or ridgid where you create a false dichotomy.

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[Benedicta00]

Hebrew 2:10

10 For it became him, for whom are all things, and by whom are all things, who had brought many children into glory, to perfect the author of their salvation, by his passion.

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[Benedicta00]

2 Timothy 2:10

10Therefore I endure everything for the sake of the elect, that they too may obtain the salvation that is in Christ Jesus, with eternal glory.

Hey, with this one, we get a two for one because also, Paul says that he endures for the sake of the elect so they too may obtan salvtion that is in Christ... this is what we have been saying all along- we are all a co redeemer.

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[Benedicta00]

1 Samuel 2:8

8 He raises the poor from the dust
and lifts the needy from the ash heap;
he seats them with princes
and has them inherit a throne of honor.
"For the foundations of the earth are the LORD's;
upon them he has set the world.

Psalm 73:24

24 You guide me with your counsel,
and afterward you will take me into glory.

Proverbs 3:35

35 The wise inherit honor,
but fools he holds up to shame.

Colossians 3:4

4 When Christ, who is your life, appears, then you also will appear with him in glory.

1 Peter 5:10

10 And the God of all grace, who called you to his eternal glory in Christ, after you have suffered a little while, will himself restore you and make you strong, firm and steadfast.

Is this enough or need I post more?

Becuase there are tons more verses that say explicily that we will share God's glory with him.




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[IamAdopted]

1 Samuel 2:8



Psalm 73:24


Proverbs 3:35




Colossians 3:4


1 Peter 5:10



Is this enough or need I post more?

Becuase there are tons more verses that say explicily that we will share God's glory with him.




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Look at when we will share Gods Glory with Him..This is a place Bene.. Those whom are in Christ will also share His glory... We will be with Him in Glory.. Gods Honor Power and Praise He will share with no one for He alone is creator and worthy of ALL Praise.. Humans are just that His creation.. Not to be praised for nothing is done in their power or wisdom for it all comes from God..

 

[Benedicta00]

Look at when we will share Gods Glory with Him..This is a place Bene.. Those whom are in Christ will also share His glory... We will be with Him in Glory.. Gods Honor Power and Praise He will share with no one for He alone is creator and worthy of ALL Praise.. Humans are just that His creation.. Not to be praised for nothing is done in their power or wisdom for it all comes from God..

Never denied we will share his glory when we are in heaven. Never claimed that God glorified anyone other than Christ while on earth.

it's not our premise that God glorified Mary while she was on earth living.

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[sunlover1]

What is Isaiah meaning? Well let's look at the context, let's not pull a single verse out and apply it at random.

It seems to me that God is affirming what we know... Jesus Christ is who he will be glorified through His pasion death and when he rises from the dead.

Now how does this mean that when we are born again in Christ, we are not promised a share in Christ's glory?

If you are going to self interpret, Beware of interpreting single verses to narrow or ridgid where you create a false dichotomy.

Hmm, alright.
I don't understand exactly what you're saying, but I think we're talking about two
different things here.

You think that God will share His glory, the
glory that is rightfully His for the work
He did, with us?

The praise, admiration etc. that belongs
to God, you think He'd share.
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This is where I can't agree.

But we can disagree.

love,
sunlover

 

[Benedicta00]

Hmm, alright.
I don't understand exactly what you're saying, but I think we're talking about two
different things here.

You think that God will share His glory, the
glory that is rightfully His for the work
He did, with us?

The praise, admiration etc. that belongs
to God, you think He'd share.
'
This is where I can't agree.

But we can disagree.

love,
sunlover

yeah... I do think that we share in His glory. Not now, not here but in heaven.

10 For it became him, for whom are all things, and by whom are all things, who had brought many children into glory, to perfect the author of their salvation, by his passion.

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[Uphill Battle]

Here we go again with the dichotomies.

If all glory is his, my dear man then, it's HIS glory that he gives us a share in. You have nothing to based this premise on, where God creates our very own glory.

This all goes back to God becoming a man in order that we can have share in his own divine life. We are partakers in the divine nature of God as Peter says so clearly.

This would aslo include his glory.

God is still God if he shares himeslf with us.

So we are back to square one, you can not have scripture contradict itself.

Re-think this since you reject any wisdom from the Church... grapple with it and re-think it on your own.


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so then, will you be like God? Omnipotent, Omnipresent, Omnicient?

Is that Glory going to be provided to you?

 

[tulc]

Can you explain to me why is this so scray?

Sure! It's how I was taught as a baby Christian.

In what way are we taking anything away from Jesus by having a relationship with his mother?

Uhmmm you have a relationship? I can see having respect, even love for Mary but a relationship? I'll have to mull over that idea.
tulc(learning many things)

 

[Rick Otto]

I would venture "share" means to simply enjoy, not "own", in what is God's glory.
As far as my share is concerned, I've probably blown off my mansion, but I figure still got a chance at a cardboard box under a bridge somewhere in heaven.

Better than a Penthouse in hell, anyway.

 

[IamAdopted]

Never denied we will share his glory when we are in heaven. Never claimed that God glorified anyone other than Christ while on earth.

it's not our premise that God glorified Mary while she was on earth living.

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Mary is not glorified in Heaven Bene.. It is Christ Glory even in Heaven for there is no name in Heaven or on earth any greater that Jesus.. Her body has not even been ressurected Yet.. She is not a glorified being that is equal to God. She is a Human being that now is in the presence of God. Jesus did not come to earth so that we could become gods.. He came to earth so that we may have eternal life with Him being our God.. He calls us friends.

 

[Benedicta00]

Mary is not glorified in Heaven Bene.. It is Christ Glory even in Heaven for there is no name in Heaven or on earth any greater that Jesus.. Her body has not even been ressurected Yet.. She is not a glorified being that is equal to God. She is a Human being that now is in the presence of God. Jesus did not come to earth so that we could become gods.. He came to earth so that we may have eternal life with Him being our God.. He calls us friends.

2 Thessalonians 2:14

14He called you to this through our gospel, that you might share in the glory of our Lord Jesus Christ.

You are just not correct about this. Those who are in heaven right now are sharing in glory. Unless you are an SDA, you should have no problem with this.

This isn't even about Mary...

You need to stop the slander... who said anything about her being equal to God?

How do you translate this off of what we write all the time?

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[IamAdopted]

2 Thessalonians 2:14



You are just not correct about this. Those who are in heaven right now are sharing in glory. Unless you are an SDA, you should have no problem with this.

This isn't even about Mary...

You need to stop the slander... who said anything about her being equal to God?

How do you translate this off of what we write all the time?

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Slander? Is it not you who say Mary is Queen of Heaven? Does this not say that she is Equal with God if she is suppose to be the queen of Heaven?

 

[Benedicta00]

so then, will you be like God? Omnipotent, Omnipresent, Omnicient?

Is that Glory going to be provided to you?

1 John 3

1Behold what manner of charity the Father hath bestowed upon us, that we should be called, and should be the sons of God. Therefore the world knoweth not us, because it knew not him.

2Dearly beloved, we are now the sons of God; and it hath not yet appeared what we shall be. We know, that, when he shall appear, we shall be like to him: because we shall see him as he is.

Every day I'm blown away how even the most undisputable basic things are being denied in a over reaction to a Catholic actually making a point.

You deny Theosis? My goodness Benny Hinn does't even deny that.

Where have I said I claim we all become God oursleves? You know that is slander. It's okay if you conceded and admit you just made a mistake.

Of course we share God's glory in heaven-- as Peter says, we are partakers in the divine nature of God.

I don't know how you take that, but I take it as God shares his own divine life of grace with us and we becoame the closet to God with out ever being God. (1 John 3)

This is the reason he created us, the reason he saved us.

He made us for himself, He made us for glory.

My goodness, I have never heard any Christian deny this until now. Wow, is all I can say.

 

[Benedicta00]

Slander? Is it not you who say Mary is Queen of Heaven? Does this not say that she is Equal with God if she is suppose to be the queen of Heaven?

Nope, it don't not for a minute and you ought stop assuming we believe things we in reality do not.

You are just unwilling to even try to understand what were saying.

And that's sad... really sad. .

 

[IamAdopted]

1 John 3


Every day I'm blown away how even the most undisputable basic things are being denied in a over reaction to a Catholic actually making a point.

You deny Theosis? My goodness Benny Hinn does't even deny that.

Where have I said I claim we all become God oursleves? You know that is slander. It's okay if you conceded and admit you just made a mistake.

Of course we share God's glory in heaven-- as Peter says, we are partakers in the divine nature of God.

I don't know how you take that, but I take it as God shares his own divine life of grace with us and we becoame the closet to God with out ever being God. (1 John 3)

This is the reason he created us, the reason he saved us.

He made us for himself, He made us for glory.

My goodness, I have never heard any Christian deny this until now. Wow, is all I can say.

We all that are born again have the Power to become the sons of God.. Being obedient to Him and His word and being adopted into His family. Here on earth we are the sons of God.. Having His Spirit in us and being washed in His blood..When all of this comes to the end of this age we will be with Him for all eternity.. A new heaven and a new earth. Christ as our light and King..No more sin or sorrow.. We can't even imagine what it will be like for we have never seen it as yet.. We will share in Christ Glory.. But we cannot give glory to anyone for this belongs to God alone.. We cannot give glory to anyone but God.. For He alone is worthy of this.. We as the created stand in awe that our creator God would want to have a relationship with us.. Even Mary was in Awe that she was chosen. She never took Glory upon herself..

 

[Benedicta00]

[/SIZE][/COLOR][/FONT]Sure! It's how I was taught as a baby Christian.

You were taught to fear Mary? why is the mother of jesus feared?

Uhmmm you have a relationship? I can see having respect, even love for Mary but a relationship? I'll have to mull over that idea.
tulc(learning many things)

I do, I wish it was better....

I'm missing something though? Is there any reason in particular we can't have a relationship with those who are in heaven?

We have many relationships down here, I have a mom, a husband, kids, in laws, freinds, etc. I don't just have a relatinship with my spouse

I'm afraid I don't undersadn this train of thought. Is God the Lone Ranger up there or something?

Havig a relationship is not worshpping?? Did you think it was?

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[Benedicta00]

We all that are born again have the Power to become the sons of God.. Being obedient to Him and His word and being adopted into His family. Here on earth we are the sons of God.. Having His Spirit in us and being washed in His blood..When all of this comes to the end of this age we will be with Him for all eternity.. A new heaven and a new earth. Christ as our light and King..No more sin or sorrow.. We can't even imagine what it will be like for we have never seen it as yet.. We will share in Christ Glory.. But we cannot give glory to anyone for this belongs to God alone.. We cannot give glory to anyone but God.. For He alone is worthy of this.. We as the created stand in awe that our creator God would want to have a relationship with us.. Even Mary was in Awe that she was chosen. She never took Glory upon herself..

So you're an SDA? ...you disbelieve we go to heaven when we die? .