CNN Contributor: ‘When a Woman Is Pregnant, That Is Not a Human Being inside of Her’

[yeshuaslavejeff]

In the case, for example, of the heartbeat bills they came about because we can prove without a doubt a human fetus has a heartbeat as early as 3-6 weeks. Are you implying that 'science' can be proven wrong later on?

I am stating unequivocally that man's so-called 'science' is not to be trusted,

as Yahuweh says not to trust in man/men / the flesh/ mankind/ society/

or to be cursed by Yahuweh. (even believers can be cursed if they trust in the flesh)

 

[Gregory Thompson]

so you know how when a caterpillar is compared to a butterfly, it's the same DNA, so how about with the baby in the womb and a full grown adult?

 

[Athanasius377]

There are some really good points being made in this discussion yet I would warn against an argument that leans into a functional or even a utilitarian argument because it takes away from the intrinsic value of every human being. These arguments tend to lead to a subjective view of the human being. It’s logical ending became a term in 20th century German known as “Lebensunwertes Leben”. That’s why I think the Imago Dei is the best argument against abortion. Not to say there are not good points but deficient in my opinion.

 

[redleghunter]

so you know how when a caterpillar is compared to a butterfly, it's the same DNA, so how about with the baby in the womb and a full grown adult?

What’s the answer to your own question?

 

[Brother Matthew]

Ok I will chime in here, first modern science will and is catching up, most notably in cellular biology moment toward God and Spirit are getting kicked around!

point 1 the cell has no internal identity, strip it of its receptors which are on the outside of the cell and it becomes identical to any other that is like wise stripped. It is the receptors that determine identity. Even the DNA with in is non descript and requires the receptors to determine self.
The proof which people need to provide to valid their words is just wind unless validated.
The Proof is in let us say a transplanted body part, to keep the organ from getting destroyed they strip the receptors (identity) of the donner and place the receptors (identity) of the recipient in their place to prevent rejection.
If the DNA in the cell continued to produce for its original host the body would attack and destroy it, but that is not the case nor does it perform (say it came from a female but was placed in a male) as it had before it takes on the function of the male.
To not make this 25 pages long, at the point of conception the receptors form. Thus the identity!
That identity is unique, one of a kind, no one will ever or ever has or every will again have that unique identity!
If they are killed for any reason, a person, a soul has been killed.

A child conceived is a consequence of an action.
People, for the most part don't jump off cliffs, in front of cars or shot themselves, mostly because they know the consequence.
Note I didn't say all and purposely use a thing that one could say some.
Just to make the point, we would call the few in need of help and say that something was wrong with them. Because that type of behavior is not right, they are hurting themselves.
Then we also would let someone go around stabbing people etc. because they are hurting someone else.

Just because someone wants to have sex and not suffer the consequences is not a reason for murder.
If you want to tell yourself we are all not accountable for all or some of our actions your not being truthful or biblical.

The newest of science is that at the point of identity (which is conception) life is started and a custom designed body is constructed for the identity on board.
The Science is self validating based on where the identity resides. If you want to see for your self look into transplants. It is the back door they leave open from there you can find the front. To much research for me to provide.

People need to be responsible for there actions, sex is not a game, it has meaning and purpose.

All is said in love, but we that know better have got to start standing up for God and what is true in this life.

 

[Gregory Thompson]

What’s the answer to your own question?

I was kind of curious myself.

 

[PaulCyp1]

Well, he/she is certainly a being. He/she is moving his/her arms and legs. His/her heart is pumping his/her own blood, which may be a different type from that of the mother. He/she is sucking his/her own thumb. All of these things are happening before the mother even knows she is pregnant. So, if this living, moving being is not a human being, what species is he/she?

 

[Kenny'sID]

“When a woman is pregnant, that is not a human being inside of her.”

Had there never been a such thing as abortion, and someone said that, we'd all think they were nuts.

 

[Rescued One]

I can't say much because the increasing evil in this world is making me sick!

 

[dad]

The one inside her is a being, yes, and the being is human if the pregnant mother is human.

Now, when ones kill an unborn human being, who might they be killing? > the person they do not want that child to become in their lives. So, they indeed can be killing someone.

You could say the same about a teen I guess. If you killed a teen, you kill the person they would become at later stages of life.

 

[Maria Billingsley]

Article: CNN Contributor: ‘When a Woman Is Pregnant, That Is Not a Human Being inside of Her’

In a segment yesterday evening on Chris Cuomo’s primetime show, a CNN contributor and former New York City Democratic politician made a particularly unscientific assertion in defense of abortion rights. During a discussion about state-level “heartbeat bills,” which prohibit abortion after a fetal heartbeat can be detected, Christine Quinn claimed, “When a woman is pregnant, that is not a human being inside of her.”

Quinn, who served as the speaker of the New York City Council until 2013, is also a board member for the National Institute for Reproductive Health, a pro-abortion action fund. Her comment last night was, of course, factually and scientifically inaccurate by entirely objective standards.

Basic biology tells us that every pregnant woman is pregnant not with a horse or an acorn or a tumor but with another human being. Inside each pregnant woman is a human being that meets all the scientific criteria to be considered alive. Each embryo or fetus has human DNA, entirely distinct from that of both its mother and its father and, indeed, from every other human being that has ever existed or will ever exist for all of human history. Each of those developing human beings is inside its mother, yes, but not part of its mother. From the moment of conception, that unborn human being has all of the cells that will develop into fully functioning organs, into its own unique fingerprints, into its own heartbeat and neural tissue.

Birth does not magically confer humanity on that being. It was a human being from the start.

Progressives often accuse conservatives and pro-lifers of ignoring biological facts, of being “science deniers.” Abortion-rights advocates like Quinn are the real science deniers. She openly contradicts simple, scientific, biological facts for the sake of furthering her defense of the right to kill unborn human beings in the womb.
Her willingness to lie so blatantly is revealing. Why do pro-choice people blithely spew such ludicrous and unscientific nonsense as this? Because it is far easier to defend removing a “clump of cells” from a woman’s womb — to dismiss abortion as no different than having a tooth pulled — than it is to admit the biological fact that every abortion intentionally kills a living human being, and to defend it on those terms.

Here’s the segment from last night on CNN:

More at link: Abortion & CNN Segment: Christine Quinn Says Unborn Babies Aren’t Human Beings | National Review

The law is two faced on the matter of when an embryo is considered human. If these people were discussing an embryo in a woman who's life was taken by a murderer, they would call it a double homicide. I find this inconsistency an outrage.

 

[chevyontheriver]

What IS "it" then, a "tumor"?

There is a phrase tossed about by pseudoscientists that 'ontogeny recapitulates phylogeny'. In other words, you were a fish before you were an amphibian, reptile, mammal, primate, and finally human. That idea has been defunct for a long time among scientists in the field of embryology and evolutionary biology. But it seems to be current among the pro-abortion crowd. They seem stuck in an anti-scientific endless loop.

Did you note that on the other side of Christine Quinn was Rick Santorum?

 

[chevyontheriver]

Well, not always does "basic biology" tell us that.
Oh, it is true, as Yahuweh (God) Says, and HE IS THE GIVER OF LIFE !

But in the world, "basic biology" is very often wrong. They do not even teach what actually causes disease ! (they reject it!)

In this case, however, basic biology (and more advanced embryology too) tells us that. It's human, with the same human chromosomes.

 

[AllDayFaith]

Shock is their tactic to throw us off guard.

 

[chevyontheriver]

Shock is their tactic to throw us off guard.

Oh, they got lots of tactics.

 

[brinny]

There is a phrase tossed about by pseudoscientists that 'ontogeny recapitulates phylogeny'. In other words, you were a fish before you were an amphibian, reptile, mammal, primate, and finally human. That idea has been defunct for a long time among scientists in the field of embryology and evolutionary biology. But it seems to be current among the pro-abortion crowd. They seem stuck in an anti-scientific endless loop.

Did you note that on the other side of Christine Quinn was Rick Santorum?

Did you note that on the other side of Christine Quinn was Rick Santorum?

Not following you...

 

[lismore]

Article: CNN Contributor: ‘When a Woman Is Pregnant, That Is Not a Human Being inside of Her’

An aborted foetus is discarded as a medical waste, just like garbage. It's unbearably sad and we can only imagine how distressed El-Shaddai feels about this horror.

 

[Calvin_1985]

"It's Her body" is the by far the dumbest argument for anything ever in existence.

 

[Quasiblogo]

Right, Calvin_1985. It is one thing for a person to eviscerate one of his/her own organs, but to destroy basically a duplicate of one's own self that is destined to live separately: that is like suicide. No wonder there is so much healing needed when a mother decides to take a life within her.

 

[redleghunter]

Did you note that on the other side of Christine Quinn was Rick Santorum?

Yes and he was being shouted down by Cuomo and Quinn. They were also accusing him of saying things he didn’t say. Par for the course. He did get in some solid points.