Climate Change

[peadar1987]

NOVA isn't known for it's balanced presentations.

The Sun and Global Warming
Of the many trends that appear to cause fluctuations in the Sun’s energy, those that last decades to centuries are the most likely to have a measurable impact on the Earth’s climate in the foreseeable future. Many researchers believe the steady rise in sunspots and faculae since the late seventeenth century may be responsible for as much as half of the 0.6 degrees of global warming over the last 110 years (IPCC, 2001)

Sunspots, like immigrants, are one of those things that get nebulously blamed for everything, without any solid scientific basis. Solar irradiance, the amount of energy coming from the sun, has actually decreased as the temperature has increased.

 

[Greatcloud]

FACT: The temperature has only increased 0.6°C in the last 100 Years (IPCC)
FACT: 89% of U.S. temperature stations are biased by +1 to +5°C (SurfaceStations)


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[sandwiches]

FACT: The temperature has only increased 0.6°C in the last 100 Years (IPCC)
FACT: 89% of U.S. temperature stations are biased by +1 to +5°C (SurfaceStations)


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You just single-handedly defeated the decades of climate study by thousands of researchers. Why didn't the climatologists think of margins of error, bias, or other such variables! WHY?!

 

[Greatcloud]

Global warming alarmists are vastly overstating the risks of climate change, often to further other agendas. The science of global warming simply does not support their claims of impending doom.


FACT: The temperature has only increased 0.6°C in the last 100 Years (IPCC)
FACT: 89% of U.S. temperature stations are biased by +1 to +5°C (SurfaceStations)


http://www.pas.rochester.edu/~douglass/papers/2004GL020212_disparity.pdf




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[SkyWriting]

If you are pouring gasoline on a fire, are you going to argue that you didn't start it? Whatever initiated global warming, human activity is exacerbating it.

And here I thought God was all powerful.

 

[sandwiches]

And here I thought God was all powerful.

And here I thought your deity supposedly gave us free will and allowed us to make our own mistakes. Or is a new claim of yours that your deity will come in and magically take away all the damage we're doing?

 

[firechild_82]

Global warming alarmists are vastly overstating the risks of climate change, often to further other agendas. The science of global warming simply does not support their claims of impending doom.

Yep, it must be something to do with the atheist, evolutionist conspiracy to educate the world.

 

[Gracchus]

Global warming alarmists are vastly overstating the risks of climate change, often to further other agendas.

I have heard and read that, but it has never been made clear to me what those "other agendas" are. Please explain what those secret agendas are and who will benefit from them.

The science of global warming simply does not support their claims of impending doom.

And yet, many climatologists take those claims quite seriously.

 

[SkyWriting]

And here I thought your deity supposedly gave us free will and allowed us to make our own mistakes. Or is a new claim of yours that your deity will come in and magically take away all the damage we're doing?

It's likely not our fault.
CO2 is only one of 20 some factors in the Global Climate system and to pick one variable is WAY too simplistic of an analysis. I think the Global Warming nuts are blowing hot air out of their butts and right in your face. Check the old news stories (mostly removed by the Jolly Green Giant if my theory is correct) about the Arctic and Greenland core projects. This was going to the the BIG reveal about global warming. Only the results caused the greenies to mess their pants. You will have a hard time finding these results below repeated by any of the Greenies:










Yet another blow to climate stability.

[FONT=Arial,Helvetica]GLOBAL CLIMATE STABILITY A RARITY?

[/FONT]They report in the July 15 Nature that "recent climate stability may be the exception rather than the rule.

ICE CORES SHOW ERRATIC CLIMATE, SCIENTISTS SAY DRAMATIC …

[FONT=times, times new roman, serif]CLIMATIC oscillations with a period of

20 yr have been reported in North American winter temperature records1,2 midwestern US drought indicators (ref. 3 and J. M. Mitchell, Jr personal communication), dendrochronological data4, and sea-surface temperature anomalies5. These oscillations have mostly been attributed to double sunspot cycles, which seem to occur at about 22-yr intervals.[/FONT]

The d18O records confirm that large and rapid temperature oscillations have occurred through most of the last 110,000 year period. They are of a scale that has not been experienced during the past 10,000 years in which human society mainly developed......Especially astonishing are the very short times needed for major warmings. A temperature increase of 5C can occur in a few decades.

 

[SkyWriting]

Sunspots, like immigrants, are one of those things that get nebulously blamed for everything, without any solid scientific basis.

Solar irradiance, the amount of energy coming from the sun, has actually decreased as the temperature has increased.

GLOBAL WARMING AND HUMAN MIGRATION

Immigration and Global Warming – Is There a Link?

Over the past century, Earth's average temperature has increased by approximately 0.6 degrees Celsius (1.1 degrees Fahrenheit). Solar heating accounts for about 0.15 C, or 25 percent, of this change

Earth's Orbit Creates More Than A Leap Year: Orbital Behaviors Also Drive Climate Changes, Ice Ages

 

[Greatcloud]

Its all about grant money and getting green legisation passed. These are the principle "other agendas" for Al Gore and others.


YouTube - Give Me a Break: Global Warming



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[SkyWriting]

I have heard and read that, but it has never been made clear to me what those "other agendas" are. Please explain what those secret agendas are and who will benefit from them.

"Cap and trade" means that Industrialized countries (deep pockets)
pay money to "Green Countries"
(Need: Levi's Jean pockets, thank you)
"Secret Agendas" approve.

 

[Greatcloud]

Here is an interesting video.

Professor Bob Carter torpedoes the “scientific consensus” on the climate HOAX#

 

[Greatcloud]

As you can see the medievil global optimum was warmer then now and all of the warming peaks just as warm as today. So where does that leave AGW since global warming has most likly peaked out.

BTW Both the wheat and corn production are going up right along with warming, this sounds optimal to me.


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[SkyWriting]

As you can see the medievil global optimum was warmer then now and all of the warming peaks just as warm as today. So where does that leave AGW since global warming has most likly peaked out.

BTW Both the wheat and corn production are going up right along with warming, this sounds optimal to me.

Plants like CO2. People like to eat plants. Biomass has been measured at a 300% increase per 100 square feet area over a 2 year period. People who live on the ocean coast will get wet unless they move.
I'm OK with all of that.

 

[Greatcloud]

This graph proves that modren global warming is natural and very unremarkable. It has been this warm in the past; where were the SUV's back then.


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[Greatcloud]

Here is a good graph to ponder.

Here as you can see we have gone through global warming before without the SUV's playing a part. So what makes us think AGW is the cause of this last warming.
There seems to be no response to this graph.

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[SkyWriting]

Here is a good graph to ponder.

There seems to be no response to this graph.

I'd like to respond:
CO2 and CH4 measurements have been performed using the methods and analytical
procedures previously described (Barnola et al., 1987, Chappellaz et al, 1990).
However, the CO2 measuring system has been slightly modified in order to increase
the sensitivity of the CO2 detection. The thermal conductivity chromatographic
detector has been replaced by a flame ionisation detector which measures CO2
after its transformation into CH4. The overall accuracy for CH4 and CO2 measurements
are � 20 ppbv and 2-3 ppmv respectively. No gravitational correction has been applied.

Just FYI

 

[Saving Hawaii]

Here is a good graph to ponder.

Here as you can see we have gone through global warming before without the SUV's playing a part. So what makes us think AGW is the cause of this last warming.
There seems to be no response to this graph.

Holy hand grenade batman!

You've posted that graph how many times in this thread?

You've observed Milankovitch cycles. That's what you're seeing there. They happen over a period of ~100,000 years. They're caused by eccentricities in the Earth's orbit. They're easily predictable (well, compared to most things) and are not a factor in the current warming trend.

I answered this in the other thread too, but I figure I'd provide a response here being as half the post on this page are graph spam.

 

[Greatcloud]

Yes these are Milancovitch cycles but the point I was making about them was that they led to warming peroids at the top of each cycle which are just as warm and some warmer then the modren warming we have peaked at today.




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