Climate change, deforestation, mass extinction...

dlamberth · Dec 8, 2016

juvenissun said:
I don't think you know what you need to do to achieve that. You won't do it and it won't happen.

One of the things that is beyond my understanding is that historically some of the leaders in the early environmental movement have been Christian. Yet it seems to me to be mostly a non-issue for Christians as a whole. Which is why I'm happy that Gxg has kept this thread going. Oh...and the Pope gets it. And he's taken some flak for it.

So the only thing that I have to work with is that in today's world, the sense of sacredness of the Earth has been mostly lost.

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juvenissun · Dec 9, 2016

dlamberth said:
There's a lot of data available...
Here's a very long list of pipeline accidents just in this century.
List of pipeline accidents in the United States in the 21st century - Wikipedia

Anything can go wrong some way some how.
Where is the comparison of pipeline accident to the similar of other forms of energy management? Has anybody done the estimation of cost if the pipelines were not there?

I call this kind of argument to be narrow-minded, deceiving and hypocritical.

juvenissun · Dec 9, 2016

dlamberth said:
One of the things that is beyond my understanding is that historically some of the leaders in the early environmental movement have been Christian. Yet it seems to me to be mostly a non-issue for Christians as a whole. Which is why I'm happy that Gxg has kept this thread going. Oh...and the Pope gets it. And he's taken some flak for it.

So the only thing that I have to work with is that in today's world, the sense of sacredness of the Earth has been mostly lost.

Think: Without the past energy development, how would it affect you on what you try to do today. I actually love to go back to live the type of life in the 18th Century. But, that is not possible.

dlamberth · Dec 9, 2016

juvenissun said:
Think: Without the past energy development, how would it affect you on what you try to do today. I actually love to go back to live the type of life in the 18th Century. But, that is not possible.

That doesn't answer the point I raised.

juvenissun · Dec 9, 2016

dlamberth said:
That doesn't answer the point I raised.

It does.

dlamberth · Dec 9, 2016

juvenissun said:
It does.

About the sacredness of the earth?

juvenissun · Dec 9, 2016

dlamberth said:
About the sacredness of the earth?

The earth is NOT sacred. It is cursed.

dlamberth · Dec 9, 2016

juvenissun said:
The earth is NOT sacred. It is cursed.

Oh...I just don't understand that. It even hurts to see that sort of thing. But it does give an answer.

juvenissun · Dec 9, 2016

dlamberth said:
Oh...I just don't understand that. It even hurts to see that sort of thing. But it does give an answer.

That is why you need to understand.
After that, it won't hurt.
Remind you, "IT" is a fact. You need to understand the reason for the fact.

awitch · Dec 9, 2016

juvenissun said:
The earth is NOT sacred. It is cursed.

It's the only known place in the Universe where there are cheesesteaks. Sounds pretty sacred to me.

juvenissun · Dec 9, 2016

awitch said:
It's the only known place in the Universe where there are cheesesteaks. Sounds pretty sacred to me.

Your standard of sacredness is toooo low.

dlamberth · Dec 13, 2016

juvenissun said:
Your standard of sacredness is toooo low.

The standard of sacredness is not too low when one find God with in this Creation itSelf.

dlamberth · Dec 13, 2016

juvenissun said:
That is why you need to understand.
After that, it won't hurt.
Remind you, "IT" is a fact. You need to understand the reason for the fact.

It's your truth. Not mine.

juvenissun · Dec 14, 2016

dlamberth said:
The standard of sacredness is not too low when one find God with in this Creation itSelf.

Then it is a standard of the lowest of the lowest.
A cow manure could be your standard.

dlamberth · Dec 14, 2016

juvenissun said:
Then it is a standard of the lowest of the lowest.
A cow manure could be your standard.

If one is calling God cow manure, I guess that too than.

Uber Genius · Dec 16, 2016

Jane_the_Bane said:
Bafflingly enough, conservative think tanks who feel that any change to the status quo would endanger their future profits

Hmm...what does this have to do with the subject? Seems like a rant followed by a sweeping generalization meant to poison readers from listening to all explanations of the data.

Surely propaganda of this sort is NOT what is called for and perhaps a big part of why people are not listening!

Global Warming (opps...I meant "Climate Change"), has been front and center of our discussions since the mid-1990s. However, we have seen a liberal media misrepresent scientific data over and over again in support of their agenda.

We have seen Liberals Environmentalists like Al Gore who in their private lives are the biggest carbon abusers on the planet. So forgive our skepticism, but it has been well-earned by liberal propaganda.

That aside in future post I recommend a more specific argument. Namely, "climate change is a both a direct result of human activity (industrialization) and is so fine-tuned to be at a tipping point that will cause massive destruction to the human population and human enterprise.

Because everyone agrees that climate change has been happening for 4.6B years on Earth.

Causal analysis is the smoking gun.

In fact the data would support your more fine-tuned argument (i.e. man-made cause as opposed to normal natural fluctuation).

Jane_the_Bane said:
The verdict of the scientific community (i.e. people who deal with these matters professionally and have all the data at hand) is virtually unanimous

Again, needs more specificity. Allows equivocation as to what scientists agree on.

Jane_the_Bane said:
how does your religion relate to the devastating effect our post-industrial species has on the planet, and what does it have to say about combating the mess we've created?

Here the tone is derogatory. What does your _________ (fill in belief system or worldview here) say about ________.

"How does the Christian worldview engage the idea of stewardship for the planet, if it does?"

Notice how the tone is different.

1554, John Calvin had interpreted dominion to mean a responsible care and keeping that does not neglect, injure, abuse, degrade, dissipate, corrupt, mar, or ruin the earth.

http://www.equip.org/article/christ...hould-christians-think-about-the-environment/

Calvin DeWitt and Robert Nash give a list of 5 differing views by Christians on the environment.

It highlights the good, bad, and ugly, and an alternative. Enjoy.

ViaCrucis · Dec 17, 2016

juvenissun said:
The earth is NOT sacred. It is cursed.

"God saw everything that he had made, and indeed, it was exceedingly good. And there was evening and there was morning, the sixth day." - Genesis 1:31

"The earth is the LORD’s and all that is in it,
the world, and those who live in it;
for he has founded it on the seas,
and established it on the rivers." - Psalm 24:1-2

"The heavens are telling the glory of God;
and the firmament proclaims his handiwork.
Day to day pours forth speech,
and night to night declares knowledge.
There is no speech, nor are there words;
their voice is not heard;
yet their voice goes out through all the earth,
and their words to the end of the world." - Psalm 19:1-6

"In his hand are the depths of the earth;
the heights of the mountains are his also.
The sea is his, for he made it,
and the dry land, which his hands have formed." - Psalm 95:4-5

-CryptoLutheran

Zoness · Dec 17, 2016

juvenissun said:
The earth is NOT sacred. It is cursed.

Personally, I rather like the Earth. It's treated me well so far so I'd like to reciprocate, as I am a guest here.

juvenissun · Dec 17, 2016

ViaCrucis said:
"God saw everything that he had made, and indeed, it was exceedingly good. And there was evening and there was morning, the sixth day." - Genesis 1:31

"The earth is the LORD’s and all that is in it,
the world, and those who live in it;
for he has founded it on the seas,
and established it on the rivers." - Psalm 24:1-2

"The heavens are telling the glory of God;
and the firmament proclaims his handiwork.
Day to day pours forth speech,
and night to night declares knowledge.
There is no speech, nor are there words;
their voice is not heard;
yet their voice goes out through all the earth,
and their words to the end of the world." - Psalm 19:1-6

"In his hand are the depths of the earth;
the heights of the mountains are his also.
The sea is his, for he made it,
and the dry land, which his hands have formed." - Psalm 95:4-5

-CryptoLutheran

All these verses are irrelevant. I think you deliberately forget one verse which is critical.

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