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No, in the opinion of that school district. I'd rather have a school district go too far towards eliminating sexuality and obscenity in schools, than how other school districts have gone way too far in promoting and propagating it.
In what ways have school districts promoted and propagated sexuality and obscenity? As someone who has worked in both public and private schools, I have never seen anything of the sort. To be sure, there is sexuality and obscenity among high schoolers... but that's because they bring it from home. The schools themselves do not promote it. They do their very best to shut it down in the classrooms, but only so much can be done.
 
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In what ways have school districts promoted and propagated sexuality and obscenity? As someone who has worked in both public and private schools, I have never seen anything of the sort. To be sure, there is sexuality and obscenity among high schoolers... but that's because they bring it from home. The schools themselves do not promote it. They do their very best to shut it down in the classrooms, but only so much can be done.
They see teaching sex education as promotion.
 
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In what ways have school districts promoted and propagated sexuality and obscenity? As someone who has worked in both public and private schools, I have never seen anything of the sort. To be sure, there is sexuality and obscenity among high schoolers... but that's because they bring it from home. The schools themselves do not promote it. They do their very best to shut it down in the classrooms, but only so much can be done.
Start here and here.
 
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Flags should have animals on them. Except no Roman eagles. Sorry eagles, we just cant go there again. Not for a while.,
Indeed what's wrong with a flag with a booby.
 

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So history is a problem that needs addressing. Geography ditto. Do I need to even mention art? Biology is out. What's all that asexual reproduction about, eh? Languages? Well, 'kiss me' in French doesn't actually mean kiss me in French. So way too many opportunities for sexual deviancy there.

I think that the whole curriculum needs to be examined.
 
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Indeed what's wrong with a flag with a booby.
I don't know what's going on with Sicily's flag. But that has to be banned, surely.

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These are just Google searches. I will take a look at the first result of each.

The first result from the first search you provided: NC GOP bill would allow school librarians to be charged over books ‘harmful to minors’
Under House Bill 595, public school libraries would be prohibited from having library books that “contains material that is harmful to minors,” as defined by state law. The legislation also removes language that had exempted employees of schools and public libraries who are carrying out their duties from being charged with disseminating harmful materials to minors, which is a Class 1 misdemeanor if found guilty.
Does it not seem a touch excessive to charge employees with a crime for doing their jobs? But let's see what, exactly, is considered "harmful material to minors."
The state law it cites defines harmful to minors as having these characteristics:
  • The average adult person applying contemporary community standards would find that the material or performance has a predominant tendency to appeal to a prurient interest of minors in sex; and
  • The average adult person applying contemporary community standards would find that the depiction of sexually explicit nudity or sexual activity in the material or performance is patently offensive to prevailing standards in the adult community concerning what is suitable for minors; and
  • The material or performance lacks serious literary, artistic, political, or scientific value for minors.
I am struck by just how vague it all is. Who is determining "contemporary community standards"? Southern Baptists? Roman Catholics? Secular atheists? Surely, there are varying "contemporary community standards" within the state of North Carolina. Further, who is determining the "seriousness" of literary, artistic, political, or scientific value? By what metrics is that determined, if any?

The Herald Sun links to a News & Observer piece that goes over 20 books the Wake County chapter of Moms for Liberty has tried to remove. The books include the following (obviously, I am not going to go through all twenty books):
  • All Boys Aren't Blue: A Memoir-Manifesto. This is a book for young adults. Amazon suggests 16+ years of age. The description on Amazon reads:
    From the memories of getting his teeth kicked out by bullies at age five, to flea marketing with his loving grandmother, to his first sexual relationships, this young-adult memoir weaves together the trials and triumphs faced by Black queer boys.

    Both a primer for teens eager to be allies as well as a reassuring testimony for young queer men of color, All Boys Aren't Blue covers topics such as gender identity, toxic masculinity, brotherhood, family, structural marginalization, consent, and Black joy. Johnson's emotionally frank style of writing will appeal directly to young adults. (Johnson used he/him pronouns at the time of publication.)


    It sounds like a perfectly acceptable book for high schoolers. I recall being assigned to read (note: not choosing to read) The Catcher in the Rye in my North Carolina public high school. The themes covered in that novel, including sexuality, don't sound any more problematic than the themes covered in All Boys Aren't Blue. To my knowledge, this book has never been assigned reading in any high school.
  • Gender Queer: A Memoir. I selected this one out of the list because the News & Observer provided the argument of an opponent: "It’s a graphic novel autobiography that explores Kobabe’s [the author] path to identifying as nonbinary and asexual. It was cited by then-North Carolina Lt. Gov. Mark Robinson because of some illustrations of people having sex." I decided to take a look so you don't have to. The graphic novel, which is marketed for teenagers 16+, includes depictions of menstruation and sex toys. Mind you, I was assigned to read The Grapes of Wrath in my North Carolina public high school. Famously, that novel depicts a starving grown man being breastfed by a teenage girl who had a stillborn baby. The point is that depictions of arguably icky and sexual stuff are not at all foreign to high school libraries or even high school curriculum. To my knowledge, this graphic novel has never been assigned reading in any high school.
Interestingly, all the examples provided in the article are marketed for teens and young adults. None of them are for young children.

The second result from the second search you provided: Parents settle lawsuit with Clark County School District over explicit assignment
Back in 2022, Candra Evans says her then-15-year-old daughter was a student at the Las Vegas Arts Academy. According to the lawsuit, Evans alleged her daughter was "forced to perform a monologue that contained explicit language" in her theater class, which had been written by another student.
I'll side with the parent on this one. Not because I believe "a monologue that contained explicit language" shouldn't be performed in a classroom. Parental consent should be sought first, however. It seems a touch shallow to suggest that a student-written monologue containing explicit language would be more disturbing or harmful than, say, a study of Elie Wiesel's Night, which was, again, assigned in my high school.

Regardless, I don't see how any of this supports your claim that school districts promote and propagate sexuality and obscenity. Every high school I've been in, including the one I attended, does not allow profanities or obscenities in the classroom. Nor are sexually explicit acts or discussions allowed. For the purposes of education, material may contain such stuff. That's always been the case, though.
 
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Lol! I know it's only one school district in Texas, but this is absurd.
I doubt it can go far as I wonder if it violates the full faith and credit clause? The use of the Virginia flag was a legislative Act. If I were a teacher in that school district in Texas, I would see about someone taking my case, if learning about other states was part of my curriculum.
If it is not unconstitutional in fact, it certainly is divisive and anti-American in spirit. The people of Texas would do better to try and require adult authentication for viewing porn instead of being so caught up in themselves to think this flag really matters.

Definition of Full Faith and Credit​

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  1. The Constitutional obligation of each state to recognize and accept the judicial proceedings, public records, and legislative acts of every other state.
 
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These are just Google searches. I will take a look at the first result of each.

The first result from the first search you provided: NC GOP bill would allow school librarians to be charged over books ‘harmful to minors’

Does it not seem a touch excessive to charge employees with a crime for doing their jobs? But let's see what, exactly, is considered "harmful material to minors."

I am struck by just how vague it all is. Who is determining "contemporary community standards"? Southern Baptists? Roman Catholics? Secular atheists? Surely, there are varying "contemporary community standards" within the state of North Carolina. Further, who is determining the "seriousness" of literary, artistic, political, or scientific value? By what metrics is that determined, if any?

The Herald Sun links to a News & Observer piece that goes over 20 books the Wake County chapter of Moms for Liberty has tried to remove. The books include the following (obviously, I am not going to go through all twenty books):
  • All Boys Aren't Blue: A Memoir-Manifesto. This is a book for young adults. Amazon suggests 16+ years of age. The description on Amazon reads:
    From the memories of getting his teeth kicked out by bullies at age five, to flea marketing with his loving grandmother, to his first sexual relationships, this young-adult memoir weaves together the trials and triumphs faced by Black queer boys.

    Both a primer for teens eager to be allies as well as a reassuring testimony for young queer men of color, All Boys Aren't Blue covers topics such as gender identity, toxic masculinity, brotherhood, family, structural marginalization, consent, and Black joy. Johnson's emotionally frank style of writing will appeal directly to young adults. (Johnson used he/him pronouns at the time of publication.)


    It sounds like a perfectly acceptable book for high schoolers. I recall being assigned to read (note: not choosing to read) The Catcher in the Rye in my North Carolina public high school. The themes covered in that novel, including sexuality, don't sound any more problematic than the themes covered in All Boys Aren't Blue. To my knowledge, this book has never been assigned reading in any high school.
  • Gender Queer: A Memoir. I selected this one out of the list because the News & Observer provided the argument of an opponent: "It’s a graphic novel autobiography that explores Kobabe’s [the author] path to identifying as nonbinary and asexual. It was cited by then-North Carolina Lt. Gov. Mark Robinson because of some illustrations of people having sex." I decided to take a look so you don't have to. The graphic novel, which is marketed for teenagers 16+, includes depictions of menstruation and sex toys. Mind you, I was assigned to read The Grapes of Wrath in my North Carolina public high school. Famously, that novel depicts a starving grown man being breastfed by a teenage girl who had a stillborn baby. The point is that depictions of arguably icky and sexual stuff are not at all foreign to high school libraries or even high school curriculum. To my knowledge, this graphic novel has never been assigned reading in any high school.
Interestingly, all the examples provided in the article are marketed for teens and young adults. None of them are for young children.

The second result from the second search you provided: Parents settle lawsuit with Clark County School District over explicit assignment

I'll side with the parent on this one. Not because I believe "a monologue that contained explicit language" shouldn't be performed in a classroom. Parental consent should be sought first, however. It seems a touch shallow to suggest that a student-written monologue containing explicit language would be more disturbing or harmful than, say, a study of Elie Wiesel's Night, which was, again, assigned in my high school.

Regardless, I don't see how any of this supports your claim that school districts promote and propagate sexuality and obscenity. Every high school I've been in, including the one I attended, does not allow profanities or obscenities in the classroom. Nor are sexually explicit acts or discussions allowed. For the purposes of education, material may contain such stuff. That's always been the case, though.
Well if you don't see it after researching it, I suppose you never will.
 
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Well if you don't see it after researching it, I suppose you never will.
Not only do I not see it after looking at your Google searches, but I don’t see it in my daily life working in schools.
 
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Not only do I not see it after looking at your Google searches, but I don’t see it in my daily life working in schools.
What one does or doesn't see in their personal daily experience is purely anecdotal and subjective.
 
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