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Cleaning Up Scripture...

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Peace be to you,
thanks everyone for your input its much appreciated.

A label should be put on bibles saying, "the names have been changed to protect the innocent".

It is written,
"Be fruitful and increase in number; fill the earth".
Why?

The devil inspired song of songs.

Peace grace mercy be with you all.
 
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There are many details about Jerome, the council of Trent, and what was included in the Bible and when, to consider. I've read through a lenghty thread on Catholic Answers Forum, where there's also Lutherans and Greek Orthodox persons debating, and the following links to posts/a-page are interesting: On which books the RCC included and when:
Why did Roman Catholics remove books from the Old Testament: Septuagint? - Page 6 - Catholic Answers Forums
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On the council of Trent:
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Consider for example how come Jerome was canonized as a saint that late, why not much earlier? Think about that!

On the book of Daniel:
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Later, however, the word took on the meaning of spurious or uncanonical, and today is used most commonly to refer to the additional writings declared part of the Bible canon by the Roman Catholic Church at the Council of Trent (1546). Catholic writers refer to these books as deuterocanonical, meaning “of the second (or later) canon,” as distinguished from protocanonical.
Jerome, who is described as “the best Hebrew scholar” of the early church and who completed the Latin Vulgate in 405 C.E., took a definite stand against such Apocryphal books and was the first, in fact, to use the word “Apocrypha” explicitly in the sense of noncanonical as referring to these writings.
 
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The word easter.

Easter is far more then just a Pagan word. Below we find the KJV totally mistranslating the word Passover and inserting the word for the Chaldean goddess (Baal), the queen of heaven
Acts 12:4
And when he had apprehended him, he put him in prison, and delivered him to four quaternions of soldiers to keep him; intending after Easter to bring him forth to the people.

EASTER
pascha ^3957^, mistranslated "Easter" in <Acts 12:4>, KJV, denotes the Passover (RV). The phrase "after the Passover" signifies after the whole festival was at an end. The term "Easter" is not of Christian origin. It is another form of Astarte, one of the titles of the Chaldean goddess, the queen of heaven. The festival of Pasch held by Christians in post-apostolic times was a continuation of the Jewish feast, but was not instituted by Christ, nor was it connected with Lent. From this Pasch the pagan festival of "Easter" was quite distinct and was introduced into the apostate Western religion, as part of the attempt to adapt pagan festivals to Christianity. See PASSOVER.
(from Vine's Expository Dictionary of Biblical Words)
(Copyright (C) 1985, Thomas Nelson Publishers)
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Look what God’s Word speaks of such heresy….
Rom 11:3-6
3 Lord, they have killed thy prophets, and digged down thine altars; and I am left alone, and they seek my life.
4 But what saith the answer of God unto him? I have reserved to myself seven thousand men, who have not bowed the knee to the image of Baal.
5 Even so then at this present time also there is a remnant according to the election of grace.
6 And if by grace, then is it no more of works: otherwise grace is no more grace. But if it be of works, then is it no more grace: otherwise work is no more work.
(KJV)
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EASTER
pascha ^3957^, mistranslated "Easter" in <Acts 12:4>, KJV, denotes the Passover (RV). The phrase "after the Passover" signifies after the whole festival was at an end. The term "Easter" is not of Christian origin. It is another form of Astarte, one of the titles of the Chaldean goddess, the queen of heaven. The festival of Pasch held by Christians in post-apostolic times was a continuation of the Jewish feast, but was not instituted by Christ, nor was it connected with Lent. From this Pasch the pagan festival of "Easter" was quite distinct and was introduced into the apostate Western religion, as part of the attempt to adapt pagan festivals to Christianity. See PASSOVER.
(from Vine's Expository Dictionary of Biblical Words)
(Copyright (C) 1985, Thomas Nelson Publishers)
BAAL
(ba'-al:) (ba`al; or Baal): The Babylonian Belu or Bel, "Lord," was the title of the supreme god among the Canaanites.
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I. NAME AND CHARACTER OF BAAL
II. ATTRIBUTES OF BAAL
III. BAAL-WORSHIP
IV. TEMPLES, ETC.
V. USE OF THE NAME
VI. FORMS OF BAAL


Peace,
I see the bible as edited. Words missing, some added...

What verses do you feel have been added or altered?
(Besides the johannine comma)

I believe the stories of Jesus cursing the tree and his fit of rage in the temple court are altered to seem like Yahweh and Jesus akin.

Grace be with you.
 
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I think the ending of Hebrews was added. I've been suspecting so because it's not extant in an early and important textual witness = manuscript, there it stops short in 9:14.
If You look in NJB Standard edition, it begins a new paragraph with a sub-heading exactly in 9:15. The same happens in the JB; 1972 Phillips Revised Edition; 1941 Confraternity Version 3rd edition, 1959 printing (translated mainly from the Vulgate).
2008 Comprehensive New Testament (and 1971 GNB 3rd edition and 1976 GNB 4th edition and 1986 R-NAB), start a new paragraph exactly in 9:15 but these versions don't use headings (here).

Look at 13:15, 17 (2012 Updated Bible Version 2.16, ©Greg Abrams, text in brackets omitted in v. 17), 13:16a (RSV-2), 13:16b-c (1970 NEB 2nd edition): Through him then let us offer up a sacrifice* of praise to God continually, that is, the fruit of lips which make confession to his name. Do not neglect to do good and to share what you have with others: for such sacrifices are pleasing to God. Obey those who have the rule over you, and submit: for they watch in behalf of your souls as those who will give account; that they may do this with joy, and not with grief: for this unprofitable for you.
* Gk: thysia

V. 15 is from the OT. To frequently be citing the OT is a feature of writings that wanted to resemble the original NT Scriptures.
V. 16 (starts with the words Do not neglect (RSV)) is an obvious fill-out which draws on other parts of the late NT, but not as late as the Gospel according to Jn, so it must have been added in the '80s in the first century.
A cross-reference for v. 17 (which starts with the word Obey) is: 1 Thess 5:12f. Probably v. 17 was added and modified from 1 Thess after people began to rumour of Hebrews as being written by Paul. But the addition must have been made by the '90s in the first century, because 1 Clem 21 cites Heb 13:17.
It's typical also for later additions, to be adding extra Christian material. As You can see from a good concordance, the Gk words thu&#7763;, thysia and hiero-thytos refer to the OT customs in Hebrews in all passages but the above. In chapters 10-11: 10:1; 5, 8, 11, 26; 11:4.
Previously edited by Unix; 26th March 2012 at 03:53 AM local time. Reason: typos in first 1/3, and add 3 last sentences
 
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The oldest extant Greek manuscript that contains the Bible book of Hebrews is Papyrus 46 (P46), dated to about 200 C.E. and is a divided manuscript, with half of it in the Chester Beatty Library in Dublin, Ireland and the other half in the University of Michigan Papyrus Collection. So many are wanting to discount the Bible at a whim, rather than be willing to dig deeply to establish its authenticity, which has been well established.

If a person were to critically examine the letters the apostle Paul wrote, it can be seen that he concluded all, with the exception of Romans ( in which he concludes with "to God, wise alone, be the glory through Jesus Christ forever. Amen"), with the expression "the underserved kindness of the Lord Jesus Christ....be with all of you" or something very similar.

Paul did not write up to Hebrews 9:14 and then stop, for at this point, there was no conclusion. But more so did Paul continue writing, explaining the Mosaic Law and its various "ordinances of sacred service" and "legal requirements".(Heb 9:1, 10)

Without his explanation, understanding the Mosaic Law covenant and its antitype, the "new covenant"(Luke 22:20), would have been, without question, so much more difficult to grasp. Jesus was noted for using illustrations extensively in his ministry, as a teaching tool, to explain God's kingdom. Paul too, sought to explain features of the Mosaic Law and its meaning, for the Law was a "tutor leading to the Christ".(Gal 3:24)

For example, starting at Hebrews 9:15, Paul explains why Jesus is a "mediator of a new covenant", quoting from Jeremiah 31:31-34 at chapter 10:16, 17 concerning the "new covenant" and God's law being written, not on stone, but in a person's heart. He further noted the "Law has a shadow of the good things to come, but not the very substance of the things."(Heb 10:1)

At Hebrews 11, Paul gives the proper explanation of faith, saying: "Faith is the assured expectation of things hoped for, the evident demonstration of realities though not beheld."(Heb 11:1) He then gives many examples of individuals who showed genuine faith, starting with Abel, then continuing to mention Enoch, Noah, Abraham, Sarah, Isaac, Jacob, Moses, down through the period of the judges, whereby Gideon, Barak, Samson, Jephthah, David as well as Samuel are seen as examples of faith for modern day worshippers of Jehovah God.

At Hebrews 12, Paul begins by saying: "So, then, because we have so great a cloud of witnesses surrounding us, let us also put off every weight and the sin that easily entangles us, and let us run with endurance the race that is set before us, as we look intently at the Chief Agent and Perfecter of our faith, Jesus. For the joy that was set before him he endured a torture stake, despising shame, and has sat down at the right hand of the throne of God."(Heb 12:1, 2) Thus, Paul brings the real meaning of faith "home" by encouraging everyone to "look intently at the Chief Agent and Perfecter of our faith, Jesus."

At Hebrews 13, Paul says: "Remember those who are taking the lead among you, who have spoken the word of God to you, and as you contemplate how [their] conduct turns out imitate [their] faith."(Heb 13:7) He wishes for all to imitate the faith of the "older men" in the congregation, but especially of Jesus Christ.

Just before concluding his letter, he says: "Now I exhort you, brothers, to bear with this word of encouragement, for I have, indeed, composed a letter to you in few words. Take note that our brother Timothy has been released, with whom, if he comes quite soon, I shall see you."(Heb 13:22, 23)

Paul concludes his letter to the Hebrews with the words: "The undeserved kindness be with all of you" (Heb 13:25) as he did twelve of his other letters.
 
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Timbo, it is an important find, but not conclusive as to the original wording of the epistles, as there is a one to two hundred year gap--- They would be copies, not originals, and would probably agree with the quotations of catholic HQ in Rome. +/-170AD. An earlier than Marcion find would tell us much more. Marcion introduced his canon around 140AD. If we could find an earlier one, it would settle the dispute once and for all, though as Marcion is credited as being the first to put a canon bound in a book, it seems unlikely. Paul's style was imitated, and even his name used as in the late dated pastorals, so a word count would be more important than style. The dispute is between those that say Marcion had them first and the catholic altered them, or the catholic had them first and Marcion altered them. So far the weight of evidence has swung over to the side of Marcion.

Paul is an extremely important figure in my faith, so believe me, I would like not to throw a blanket on the fire. We'll just have to wait till the scholastic gunfire is over.
 
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Why do people insist on over-complicating the simple? The Spirit of Truth and Jesus once delivered the faith to the saints and they produced scripture. Some of this scripture is found in the n.t. and some of it wound up in the nag hammadi library. Simply understanding the process of creation in heaven given to us by saint John in The Apocryphon of John clears up all the confusion, easy peasy.
 
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Peace,
I see the bible as edited. Words missing, some added...

What verses do you feel have been added or altered?
(Besides the johannine comma)

I believe the stories of Jesus cursing the tree and his fit of rage in the temple court are altered to seem like Yahweh and Jesus akin.

Grace be with you.

I think jesus was probably a space traveller perhaps possible goa,uld and stole humans from this planet and other for slaves but the bible was written to make him seem nice but heaven was really taking people away.
 
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