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Clapping Worship???

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Something I've wondered at for a while about worship is: if we are all called to be different like the Bible says and to be set apart from the world, no longer to conform to its patterns then why is worship in many churches just like a concert?

For instance the first time I went to a big worship event with thousands of people this is what happened: everyone turned up, sat down, then the band came on and started to play, everyone stood up and sang along to the words on the screen, then at the end of the song everyone cheered and clapped, then the next song started...etc...

That is almost exactly how most concerts with normal worldly bands work, a stage, people singing along and clapping at the end of each song.

Why do we clap at the end of songs? Is it because the Bible says we should? (like raising hands in worship) or is it because that's what everyone does, that's what always happens at the end of songs at concerts? Are we called by God to clap at the end of songs, or are we conforming to the pattern of this world?

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The reason why I clap after worship songs is because I'm giving God the glory... when we clap at worldy concerts, we are giving the singer the glory, but for Christian concerts I'm giving God the glory by clapping to Him, since He is the reason for that concert.

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servant4ever said:
The reason why I clap after worship songs is because I'm giving God the glory... when we clap at worldy concerts, we are giving the singer the glory, but for Christian concerts I'm giving God the glory by clapping to Him, since He is the reason for that concert.

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Amen!, I praise and clap because I am excited to be able to. I do it all in the joy of his presence.

I raise my hands as a sign of devotion and total dependence on him.
His joy brought David to dancing, why not us.

If secular artist get so much praise from people, how much more does the almighty Lord of the Universe deserve?

Love-In-Christ,

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I know that my friend who isnt a christian found it really odd once though when we went to church and noone clapped when they finished a song. But when people do clap after a worship song it is to totally honour God and to give God our praise as we stand before him to sing.

Its an exciting place to be when there are thousands applauding Him as well - you can see just how many people are as excited and as overwhelmed by God as you. And sometimes even more than you!

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I think I'm being unclear. Why clapping specifically? Why not dancing, why not praying, why not singing your own song, why not bowing before God, why not knelling in humility, why not speaking in tongues, why not raising your hands?

Why do we all 'decide' to do exactly the same as any worldly person does at the end of a worship song? Are we ALL being called to do the same thing? Are we clapping because everyone else is clapping or do we clap in worship when praying alone or listening to songs on the CD player at home?
 
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Eluzai said:
I think I'm being unclear. Why clapping specifically? Why not dancing, why not praying, why not singing your own song, why not bowing before God, why not knelling in humility, why not speaking in tongues, why not raising your hands?

Why do we all 'decide' to do exactly the same as any worldly person does at the end of a worship song? Are we ALL being called to do the same thing? Are we clapping because everyone else is clapping or do we clap in worship when praying alone or listening to songs on the CD player at home?

hmm.. I've been to things where some people are clapping, some people are not clapping, some people are face down, some are praying, some are praying and clapping, some are kneeling, some are shouting, some are speaking tongues, and some are dancing. Everyone worships God in their own way. When a bunch of people get together to worship God I've noticed that their will be unity within the body. Sometimes everyone is called to do the same thing. When someone claps for joy it makes everyone wants to clap for God (sometimes). It's not because it's a worldly thing. Why hymns? Weren't they old bar tunes? I mean, that sounds pretty worldly to me. :)

People worship God in different ways. Why does everyone clap? Why shouldn't everyone clap? Is it wrong? I don't see a problem. :scratch:

And a thing to mention is that it wouldn't suprise me if many people clap because other people clap. Is it wrong though? One person could be clapping for God and another could be clapping because they enjoyed the beautiful music. There is nothing wrong with both in my opinion.
 
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Hi again, I was going to write down this really cool story in my own words but felt the ones that I found online make more sense and get the message across even more.... Its about a church in the UK called Soul Survivor and how they overcame the worship band becoming more spectated than God being celebrated....i hope its not too long....

We are a culture of critics.
Movies, music, television, restaurants - it seems nothing is safe from our analytical eye. But what happens when that same mentality creeps into our worship of God?

It's amazing how similarly we answer these fundamentally
different questions:

"What did you think of that movie last night?"
"How did you like the worship this morning?"

"I think it was great."
"Kind of boring."
"I fell asleep."


Is this dynamic normal? Is it right or wrong, good or bad? Shouldn't people, especially the worship team, engage in expressing their views?

Pastor Mike Pilavachi, from London, tells the following story of a season in which his church wrestled with this very issue:

"Since it began, Soul Survivor has always given plenty of time over to worshiping through music. Over the years, people have poured out their hearts to God through it, and there have been plenty of examples of great things happening as a result. However, there was a season when we realized that something was 'up' with our worship.

At first, it was difficult to put our finger on the problem. On the surface, everything was just fine: the musicians were tuning their instruments and the soundmen were getting out of bed on time. Each service contained a block of songs that focused on the cross and gave people the chance to get down to business with God. To make this easier, the music was (nearly) up-to-date, the chairs had disappeared and the lights were low - What better atmosphere for young people to worship God?

"Yet, we seemed to have lost the spark. We seemed to be going through the motions, but I noticed that although we were singing the songs, our hearts, were far from Him. Was it Matt Redman's fault? I listened. He wasn't singing any more off notes than usual. Then one day it clicked; we had become connoisseurs of worship instead of participants of it.

In our hearts, we were giving the worship team grades on a scale from one to ten: 'Not that song again,' 'I can't hear the bass,' 'I like the way she sings better.' We had made the band the performers of worship and ourselves the audience.

We had forgotten that we are ALL the performers of worship and that God is the audience. We had forgotten that sacrifice is central to biblical worship. We are called to offer our bodies as living sacrifices - this is OUR spiritual act of worship (Romans 12:1). We are called to offer our sacrifice of praise (Heb. 13:15).

We were challenged to ask ourselves individually, 'When I come through the door of the church, what am I bringing as my contribution to worship?' The truth came to us: worship is not a spectator sport, it is not a product molded by the taste of the consumers. It is not about what we can get out of it; it is all about God.

We needed to take drastic action. For a while, in order to truly learn this lesson, we banned the band. We fired Redman!

Then we sat around in circles and said that if no one brought a sacrifice of praise, we would spend the meeting in silence. At the beginning we virtually did! It was a very painful process. We were learning again not to rely on the music.

After a while, we began to have some very sweet times of worship. We all began to bring our prayers, our readings, our prophecies, our thanksgiving, our praises and our songs. Someone would start a song a cappella and we would all join in. Then someone else would take it on to another song. The excitement came back. We were not having Church; we were once again meeting with God. With all the comforts stripped away, we worshiped from the heart.

When we had learned our lesson, we brought the band back. It was at this point that Matt began to sing the song he had written out of this experience. I wept as we sang it for the first time. The words expressed exactly what was going on."

When the music fades,
All is stripped away, and I simply come
Longing just to bring
Something that's of worth
That will bless your heart

I'll bring you more than a song
For a song in itself is not what you have required.
You search much deeper within
Through the way things appear;
You're looking into my heart.

I'm coming back to the heart of worship
And it's all about you
All about you Jesus.
I'm sorry Lord for the thing I've made it
When it's all about you,
All about you Jesus.

King of endless worth
No one could express
How much you deserve.
Though I'm weak and poor
All I have is yours, every single breath.


When I [Paul Martin] first heard this story, it nearly knocked the wind out of me! As a musician who had been very involved in worship training and recording for years, I regretfully realized that church had become more like a night out at the movies, an opportunity for me express my expertise, and to rank "how good it was."

If you are involved in worship at your church, I would humbly ask you to search for a balance between heart and sound. Yes, we are encouraged in scripture to "play skillfully" before the Lord. But this must always follow a heart that is yearning to bless Him.
Can't say much more than that! :clap:
 
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keyz said:
hmm.. I've been to things where some people are clapping, some people are not clapping, some people are face down, some are praying, some are praying and clapping, some are kneeling, some are shouting, some are speaking tongues, and some are dancing. Everyone worships God in their own way. When a bunch of people get together to worship God I've noticed that their will be unity within the body. Sometimes everyone is called to do the same thing. When someone claps for joy it makes everyone wants to clap for God (sometimes). It's not because it's a worldly thing. Why hymns? Weren't they old bar tunes? I mean, that sounds pretty worldly to me. :)

People worship God in different ways. Why does everyone clap? Why shouldn't everyone clap? Is it wrong? I don't see a problem. :scratch:

And a thing to mention is that it wouldn't suprise me if many people clap because other people clap. Is it wrong though? One person could be clapping for God and another could be clapping because they enjoyed the beautiful music. There is nothing wrong with both in my opinion.


lol,that pretty much sounds like my church.... :clap:
 
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Great post hugnluvable!

What disturbs me sometimes more than the clapping of hands after the songs is simply that the first handclaps go to the band that comes up the stage. Also, our music should be seperated from the world in style. Sometimes that doesn't seems to be so...
 
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Andrej said:
Great post hugnluvable!

What disturbs me sometimes more than the clapping of hands after the songs is simply that the first handclaps go to the band that comes up the stage. Also, our music should be seperated from the world in style. Sometimes that doesn't seems to be so...
That's what I was talking about! :)
 
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You can clap, shout, bow before God, pray, speak in tongues whatever you feel suitable. But at my Youth Group especially we have in a concert atmosphere. It attracts young people. It attracts people and shows them that church can be fun and something that you should want to go to. We are 'yes' clapping like they do at concerts...but we are not singing wordly songs so therefore we are not acting 'wordly.' I am really confused as to what you are implying on how it is wordly. It isnt wordly if you singing and clapping to songs that glorify Christ.
 
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fiveinjuly said:
The better question here is why are some praise and worship services like Christian music concerts. I went to a megaAOGchurch. There were over a thousand people there. And the worship was just like a concert. There were the few token peopl eraising their hands, but everyone else was just standign and looking at the worship team.

That would lead me to believe that they were not Worhsiping GOD. that they took it as a concert not that it WAS a concert
 
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