Clapping during Mass

[JimR-OCDS]

Considering the trouble you are having with what is part of the Mass and what is not, when did the applause occur? "at the end" means when? After the final blessing? Before the final blessing?

Could you post a video of it?

For me, it's not important enough to waste time looking for a video to cure you from opposition to applauding.

However, watching Mass from the National Shrine of the Immaculate Conception in Washington DC,
the celebrant makes announcements and thanks donators before the final blessing. If at a parish Mass, a priest thanked the choir
or folk group, or some visitor at this time and the crowd applauded, they would not be taking anything from the Mass. Instead, they'd be
treating others as a welcoming community of friends rather than a community of strangers.

 

[JSRG]

Applause never happens during the Mass, only at the end when final announcements are made and
thanks may be given to the music group or a person brought into the Church.

I'm not sure if I've ever seen applause at the end of mass (there might have been one time, but I'm not sure). The only time I remember for sure hearing applause was after the homily if it was seen as really good, though this was a very rare occurrence.

 

[concretecamper]

However, watching Mass from the National Shrine of the Immaculate Conception in Washington DC,
the celebrant makes announcements and thanks donators before the final blessing

Thanking people and making announcements before the final blessing is part of the rubrics in the US. Applause isn't.

If at a parish Mass, a priest thanked the choir
or folk group, or some visitor at this time and the crowd applauded, they would not be taking anything from the Mass

Applause during Mass isn't appropriate, no matter how you frame it.

. Instead, they'd be
treating others as a welcoming community of friends rather than a community of strangers

Treating others as a welcoming community of friends is terrific!!!!;

Again, I recognize it happens all the time (applause during Mass). But many people say O M G all the time too. We shouldn't change truth because everyone does it

 

[WarriorAngel]

Actually people did complain, which is why he was forced to say Mass in private.

Imagine attending weekday Mass on your way to work or school and not being able to stay because it's 3 hours long?

BTW, farmers still work on Saturday and Sundays. If you doubt that, ask a farmer.

I cannot imagine the state of someone who is observing St Pio living through Calvary getting irritated.
At least not back in the day.... 1920's. [I correct myself]
Again, I doubt your source.

Padre Pio - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Investigations by the Vatican​

The Vatican initially imposed severe sanctions on Pio in the 1920s to reduce publicity about him: he was forbidden from saying Mass in public, blessing people, answering letters, showing his stigmata publicly, and communicating with Padre Benedetto, his spiritual director.

 

[WarriorAngel]

I wish Mass was much longer.

 

[Iuxta Crucem Lacrimosa]

Applause is just as annoying to me as the practice of holding hands during “pater noster” and “the handshake of peace”. All of which should be abandoned the sooner rather than later. If you go back and look through the missals prior to Vatican II you’ll see no such things occurring at all.
Fortunately we’re not holding hands much in Norway on a general basis, nor do we do so at mass. The handshake went out the window during the pandemic and it hasn't reappeared yet, but I dread it will.

All of these new inventions belongs elsewhere. Mass is not the place to feel creative!

 

[Iuxta Crucem Lacrimosa]

I wish Mass was much longer.

I wish mass was better, so I fancy quality over quantity any day. No more clapping, and no more guitars nor piano, AND definitely no more versus populum. SMH

 

[WarriorAngel]

I wish mass was better, so I fancy quality over quantity any day. No more clapping, and no more guitars nor piano, AND definitely no more versus populum. SMH

I love Mass regardless of the bells and whistles.
If something is not as Traditional, I avert my mind to stay in my peace.

My rule of thumb; if Vatican allows it, then it is okay.
Because back in the first centuries they practiced attendance much differently. There were no bells because of secrecy.
Catechumens were removed before consecration. Sinners had to confess before all and wear sack cloths and ashes.
They stood the entire time and Mass lasted half a day.

SO knowing the earliest Apostolic practices, I know the Church evolved to what we love as Traditional.
However; Tradition does not change the Presence of our Lord.

That's why it is so wonderful.

 

[mourningdove~]

I wish mass was better, so I fancy quality over quantity any day. No more clapping, and no more guitars nor piano, AND definitely no more versus populum. SMH

What I would like to see won't happen, but it is one reason why I am fond of the Latin Mass.

I would like to see our actions line up with what we say we believe.
If we truly believe that Jesus is Present on the altar, then it would seem we would 'act' like it.
There would be reverence. There would be awe. Because we believe we are in the presence of Our Saviour and King.

I can remember when the President of the U.S. flew into an airport where I was working.
I can remember all the planning beforehand, all the pomp and circumstance upon his arrival.

To me, if we mean what we say about the Mass, it just would seem there would be more reverence.

We would dress like 'the president' was coming to visit.
We would behave as if we are going to be in the presence of 'royalty'.
And really, we would not hurry thru Holy Communion, like we have somewhere important to be afterwards.

And no matter the liturgy ... Latin or NO ... we would not all be 'handling' Jesus' Body.
Nor would we have Eucharistic Ministers handling the Host.
That would be the priest's duty, a holy, sacred duty.

Holiness and reverence, in the Presence of a Holy God ... that is what I would like to see again in the Church.
But instead of moving in that direction, we are moving towards more informality ...

 

[WarriorAngel]

I watched a video [and mind you I have no idea which one now] that stated [was it a quote?] that humans do not understand the Holiness of the Lord.
How profound it really is.
And daily their lukewarm or total dismissal are from absolute ignorance.

Fortunately the Lord knows this about humanity.
Ergo His compassion and mercy.

Which is why He established: confession, saving those who call on Him even in the last hour, and purgatory.

 

[mourningdove~]

I watched a video [and mind you I have no idea which one now] that stated [was it a quote?] that humans do not understand the Holiness of the Lord.
How profound it really is.
And daily their lukewarm or total dismissal are from absolute ignorance.

In the video, did they say 'who' they thought was responsible for the ignorance?

 

[Iuxta Crucem Lacrimosa]

What I would like to see won't happen, but it is one reason why I am fond of the Latin Mass.

I would like to see our actions line up with what we say we believe.
If we truly believe that Jesus is Present on the altar, then it would seem we would 'act' like it.
There would be reverence. There would be awe. Because we believe we are in the presence of Our Saviour and King.

I can remember when the President of the U.S. flew into an airport where I was working.
I can remember all the planning beforehand, all the pomp and circumstance upon his arrival.

To me, if we mean what we say about the Mass, it just would seem there would be more reverence.

We would dress like 'the president' was coming to visit.
We would behave as if we are going to be in the presence of 'royalty'.
And really, we would not hurry thru Holy Communion, like we have somewhere important to be afterwards.

And no matter the liturgy ... Latin or NO ... we would not all be 'handling' Jesus' Body.
Nor would we have Eucharistic Ministers handling the Host.
That would be the priest's duty, a holy, sacred duty.

Holiness and reverence, in the Presence of a Holy God ... that is what I would like to see again in the Church.
But instead of moving in that direction, we are moving towards more informality ...

Don’t get me started on the concept of “extraordinary eucharistic ministers”! The priest in my local parish often times hold the mass, but sits still while laypeople administers holy communion to the faithful. What a scandal!
I could understand it, but not condone it, if there was a full packed church and he had some help distributing holy communion to the congregation, but when the church is half full on a regular Sunday and he gets himself seated and leave it for unconcecrated hands…
It’s scandalous, nothing more nothing less.

 

[Lady Bug]

Don’t get me started on the concept of “extraordinary eucharistic ministers”! The priest in my local parish often times hold the mass, but sits still while laypeople administers holy communion to the faithful. What a scandal!
I could understand it, but not condone it, if there was a full packed church and he had some help distributing holy communion to the congregation, but when the church is half full on a regular Sunday and he gets himself seated and leave it for unconcecrated hands…
It’s scandalous, nothing more nothing less.

I don't understand why the Mass has to be "shortened" by enabling EMHCs. I like to hear the Communion hymns, and shortening the Communion line shortens the time for them.

 

[WarriorAngel]

In the video, did they say 'who' they thought was responsible for the ignorance?

Humanity has ignorance not afforded to Angels.

 

[mourningdove~]

Humanity has ignorance not afforded to Angels.

The fear of the Lord is the beginning of wisdom,
and knowledge of the Holy One is understanding.

 

[JimR-OCDS]

I don't understand why the Mass has to be "shortened" by enabling EMHCs. I like to hear the Communion hymns, and shortening the Communion line shortens the time for them.

The use of EMHC's is not to shorten the Mass. The use of EMHC's is up to the discretion of the celebrant, who was given
that authority by the Bishop.

 

[JimR-OCDS]

Don’t get me started on the concept of “extraordinary eucharistic ministers”! The priest in my local parish often times hold the mass, but sits still while laypeople administers holy communion to the faithful. What a scandal!
I could understand it, but not condone it, if there was a full packed church and he had some help distributing holy communion to the congregation, but when the church is half full on a regular Sunday and he gets himself seated and leave it for unconcecrated hands…
It’s scandalous, nothing more nothing less.

Why not asking him why he does this?

Perhaps, the reason is out of your understanding.

 

[concretecamper]

it's got to be about time, not some hidden secret reason known only to the ordained. I can't see an alternate reason other than if the priest has some sort of handicap.

I remember correcting someone who referred to themselves as communion minister. I told them that the priest and deacons are communion ministers and that he should refer to himself as extra-ordinary minister of communion. Well that didn't go over well especially with his wife. So maybe the priest if afraid of alienating some good people (who like the title) who are extra-ordinary minister of communion.

I've taken notice at the time it takes to set up for extra-ordinary ministers and the time it takes to collect everything at the end of communion. The time savings really isn't that much. I estimate in my parish (which is large) the savings is 5 minutes.

Like everything these day, The U.S. is spoiled. 5 extra minutes will cause such controversy. So sad.

 

[mourningdove~]

Don’t get me started on the concept of “extraordinary eucharistic ministers”! The priest in my local parish often times hold the mass, but sits still while laypeople administers holy communion to the faithful. What a scandal!
I could understand it, but not condone it, if there was a full packed church and he had some help distributing holy communion to the congregation, but when the church is half full on a regular Sunday and he gets himself seated and leave it for unconcecrated hands…
It’s scandalous, nothing more nothing less.

And then people wonder why so many have lost faith in the Real Presence!


It is because of this lack of reverence, all of it, that one cannot help but be tempted to take the whole Mass casually, if not totally disbelieve.

 

[Iuxta Crucem Lacrimosa]

Why not asking him why he does this?

Perhaps, the reason is out of your understanding.

I did years ago, but basically got the answer: “-mind your own business”. Now a days I notice, I pray for the priest and the parish, and I’ll leave it at that.