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Circumcision

etZion

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A child of Israel in the flesh is one that is circumcised IN THE FLESH according to Gen 17...If there are no fleshly Children of Israel then there can be no promise of Messiah to the Children of Israel who have Not Yet come to BELIEF IN Messiah Yeshua BY FAITH.

Paul says a true Jew per se is one that is circumcised in the flesh AND circumcised in the heart.

So, let me get this straight, according to what you are saying, no female could be a true Jew, since they could not be circumcised in the flesh... :D
 
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A child of Israel in the flesh is one that is circumcised IN THE FLESH according to Gen 17...If there are no fleshly Children of Israel then there can be no promise of Messiah to the Children of Israel who have Not Yet come to BELIEF IN Messiah Yeshua BY FAITH.

Paul says a true Jew per se is one that is circumcised in the flesh AND circumcised in the heart.


OUCH!

:swoon::o:o:bigeye::ouch:
 
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Semantics.

Semantics like the proper division between Sinai and Horeb the two covenants? :)

Choreb is expounded through Devarim and is supernal and of above:

Deuteronomy 10:12-22 KJV
12. And now, Israel, what doth the Lord thy God require of thee, but to fear the Lord thy God, to walk in all his ways, and to love him, and to serve the Lord thy God with all thy heart and with all thy soul,
13. To keep the commandments of the Lord, and his statutes, which I command thee this day for thy good?
14. Behold, the heaven and the heaven of heavens is the Lord's thy God, the earth also, with all that therein is.
15. Only the Lord had a delight in thy fathers to love them, and he chose their seed after them, even you above all people, as it is this day.
16. Circumcise therefore the foreskin of your heart, and be no more stiffnecked.
17. For the Lord your God is God of Gods, and Lord of Lords, a great God, a mighty, and a terrible, which regardeth not persons, nor taketh reward:
18. He doth execute the judgment of the fatherless and widow, and loveth the stranger, in giving him food and raiment.
19. Love ye therefore the stranger: for ye were strangers in the land of Egypt.
20. Thou shalt fear the Lord thy God; him shalt thou serve, and to him shalt thou cleave, and swear by his name.
21. He is thy praise, and he is thy God, that hath done for thee these great and terrible things, which thine eyes have seen.
22. Thy fathers went down into Egypt with threescore and ten persons; and now the Lord thy God hath made thee as the stars of heaven for multitude.

Deuteronomy 28:9-14 KJV
9. The Lord shall establish thee an holy people unto himself, as he hath sworn unto thee, if thou shalt keep the commandments of the Lord thy God, and walk in his ways.
10. And all people of the earth shall see that thou art called by the name of Lord; and they shall be afraid of thee.
11. And the Lord shall make thee plenteous in goods, in the fruit of thy body, and in the fruit of thy cattle, and in the fruit of thy ground, in the land which the Lord sware unto thy fathers to give thee.
12. The Lord shall open unto thee his good treasure, the heaven to give the rain unto thy land in his season, and to bless all the work of thine hand: and thou shalt lend unto many nations, and thou shalt not borrow.
13. And the Lord shall make thee the head, and not the tail; and thou shalt be [of] above only, and thou shalt not be [of] beneath; if that thou hearken unto the commandments of the Lord thy God, which I command thee this day, to observe and to do them:
14. And thou shalt not go aside from any of the words which I command thee this day, to the right hand, or to the left, to go after other gods to serve them.

Deuteronomy 30:4-6 KJV
4. If any of thine be driven out unto the outmost parts of heaven, [re: Matthew 24:31] from thence will the Lord thy God gather thee, and from thence will he fetch thee:
5. And the Lord thy God will bring thee into the land which thy fathers possessed, and thou shalt possess it; and he will do thee good, and multiply thee above thy fathers.
6. And the Lord thy God will circumcise thine heart, and the heart of thy seed, to love the Lord thy God with all thine heart, and with all thy soul, that thou mayest live.
 
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So, let me get this straight, according to what you are saying, no female could be a true Jew, since they could not be circumcised in the flesh... :D

Correction there are certain parts of the world where women are circumcised, LOL!
I am not certain if he was refering to female circumcision as well.
 
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Hi Talmidim. You linked me up with this thread. Am I missing something here? I hope not, because I think I'm a bit over extended on thread participation as it is. I just spent several hours responding to posts that were made only yesterday. Holy cow! I don't have that kind of time to spend on here. Anyway, is it a different thread your talking about, and maybe you need to check the links?

I had to remove the link in your quote because it won't let me post links until I have a post count of 50, even if it's quoting someone. Very aggravating to say the least.


Perhaps you should have replied with your original account, you have plenty of posts on there. ;)
 
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THe most amazing part about the Bris is that ONLY ON THE 8th DAY of a human’s life is the ability to clot blood over 100%. On the 8th day the prothombin levels (ability of a person to clot) is at 110%. Up until the 7th day it rises until it hits 100%, on the 8th day it’s 110%, and every day for the rest of a person’s life it goes back down to 100%. Hhhhmmmm, on the very day that someone commanded us to have a Bris is the safest day of a person’s life to have the Bris.
 
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