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A question to you bible scholars out there. Do you think there could be a difference between biblical circumcision and the circumcision methods of today? I am reading that some suggest that the circumcision mentioned in the bible was a mere clipping of a small portion of the foreskin rather than the entire foreskin itself.
 

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snip< I am reading that some suggest that the circumcision mentioned in the bible was a mere clipping of a small portion of the foreskin rather than the entire foreskin itself >snip

Goodness me - a Gentile could go to bed with a knife in his waist band for security...and wake up as a Jew! :D
 
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A question to you bible scholars out there. Do you think there could be a difference between biblical circumcision and the circumcision methods of today? I am reading that some suggest that the circumcision mentioned in the bible was a mere clipping of a small portion of the foreskin rather than the entire foreskin itself.

I don' t think biblical circumcision turns a gentile into a jew. I think the foreskin was removed in ancient times.
 
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Good one! But you realize that some will not recognize that you made a joke. You reallllllly should start using a smiley every now and then! :D
snip< I am reading that some suggest that the circumcision mentioned in the bible was a mere clipping of a small portion of the foreskin rather than the entire foreskin itself >snip

Goodness me - a Gentile could go to bed with a knife in his waist band for security...and wake up as a Jew! :D
 
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A question to you bible scholars out there. Do you think there could be a difference between biblical circumcision and the circumcision methods of today? I am reading that some suggest that the circumcision mentioned in the bible was a mere clipping of a small portion of the rather than the entire itself.
That's what I've read before in a dissertation as well.
 
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There would need to be enough removed to prove that he was a Jew.

Amputating at the first knuckle is just as painful as taking the entire finger. The same concept applies to circumcision.

It sounds to me, that if you only cut off a little bit, you're clinging to your old worldly self.


or you could just trim a little off the tip, and wear your tzitzits longer ^_^
 
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There would need to be enough removed to prove that he was a Jew.

Amputating at the first knuckle is just as painful as taking the entire finger. The same concept applies to circumcision.

It sounds to me, that if you only cut off a little bit, you're clinging to your old worldly self.


or you could just trim a little off the tip, and wear your tzitzits longer ^_^

There are no short cuts then to being a Jew :D
 
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This thread has truly inspired me, I may recover.

Anyway I propose that data of schneider lengths be gathered and presented to the OU. They can beis din on the matter and I suspect that they will come out with appropriate classifications and they will be:

UberPutzen

MittenPutzen

und,

UnterPutzen.

Thereby we will have the long and the short of it, if tumescence should occur, but maybe it shouldn't.
 
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This thread has truly inspired me, I may recover.

Anyway I propose that data of schneider lengths be gathered and presented to the OU. They can beis din on the matter and I suspect that they will come out with appropriate classifications and they will be:

UberPutzen

MittenPutzen

und,

UnterPutzen.

Thereby we will have the long and the short of it, if tumescence should occur, but maybe it shouldn't.

Don't mix the languages - you'll really confuse people, mein herr.
 
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Stretching a mixed metaphor skin? :p
This thread has truly inspired me, I may recover.

Anyway I propose that data of schneider lengths be gathered and presented to the OU. They can beis din on the matter and I suspect that they will come out with appropriate classifications and they will be:

UberPutzen

MittenPutzen

und,

UnterPutzen.

Thereby we will have the long and the short of it, if tumescence should occur, but maybe it shouldn't.
 
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Don't mix the languages - you'll really confuse people, mein herr.

Well your herr may be fine but my hair has become finer and it has moved off the back of my head a bit to growing from my nose and ears. Very confusing.

Stretching a mixed metaphor skin? :p

Mixed metaphor, oh drat that term, you guys that know english! Somebody was talking about something being parabolic once upon a time. All I could think was Y = k( X[squared]) , never did figger it out.

Anyway, when I was a kid the teacher told us a story about Rapunzel(Adelman). She was a beautiful girl that lived up in a tower and never went down. Hmmmm. Anyway, guys would come by and say "Rapunzel, Rapunzel, let down your long hair(she had very very long herr). But she never would do it because the guys weren't Jewish. So it looked like she was doomed to unrequited love. So sad.

Well, at about the same time in my pre-war schooling the teacher told us the story of Rumpledstiflskin who I think nowadays could be helped by a good dermatologist. Well, ol' Rumpled was trying to save this girl that was trying to spin gold or the king would have her "hit" as they used to say in mi vicino in K.C.

Well, both these stories were in the Brothers Grimm compilation around 1812 when Tchaikowski was finding 75mm Howitzers for his Overture because Napoleon blew it at Waterloo which is in Iowa.

Anyway, obviously the Grimms blew it because Rapunzel and ol' Rumpled were supposed to get together in the story.

Soooo, en me opinion, Rumpled heard about Rapunzel(Adelman) being trapped in the tower so he went by and would say Rapunzel, Rapunzel, let down sus pelos largos. Pero, she would not because she didn't know whether Rumpled was Jewish or not.

So, ol' Rumpled(who was quite German) figgered out that was the problem. So the next time he went by he lied and said he was a Lundsman and she let down her long hair and herr rumpled climbed up and, well, they got amourous and, you know, they got ready to rock n' roll.

All of a sudden she takes a look and exclaimed "that's funny, you don't look Jewish". She lobs him right out of the tower and ends up marrying Harvey Margolies the accountant with one of the BIG 8 accounting firms.

So, it turns out Rumpelstiltskin from German really means wrinkled foreskin in English. So now ya know.

Feels like my Metamucil and Flo-Max pills are finally working so I gotta go, I feel full of it. But I always like to take my "business" to this MJ forum to dump and get it off my chest or whatever part of my anatomy is appropriate.

Where's my Haldol?
 
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A question to you bible scholars out there. Do you think there could be a difference between biblical circumcision and the circumcision methods of today? I am reading that some suggest that the circumcision mentioned in the bible was a mere clipping of a small portion of the foreskin rather than the entire foreskin itself.

It couldn't have been too small a cut. Circumcision put the Shechemites out of commission long enough for the sons of Israel to kill them all.
 
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I never mentioned gentile......!!!! ????

I know just commenting, someone is always trying to minimize something practiced in the bible. Circumcision was very painful in biblical times, even included blood. Although gentiles did participate in biblical circumcision.
 
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It couldn't have been too small a cut. Circumcision put the Shechemites out of commission long enough for the sons of Israel to kill them all.

Those men did not need to be circumcised - they were about to die. The cuts were to immobilise them.

Pain, volume of blood and depth of cut are not necessarily an accurate means of measuring what might put people out of action. For example, paper cuts are very small but can be amazingly painful whilst, mostly, showing no blood, very minor cuts to the ear lobe can produce masses of blood but not be particularly painful. A very small cut in a delicate place can be extremely painful, quite bloody and enough to put many men out of action for a while - that is why adult men try to avoid circumcision of any sort!

I know - when I was in my 20s I had to be shaved of hair from waist to knees because my appendix had burst and I needed emergency treatment. The two young nurses, doing the 10pm to 6am shift, were not really trained in this and certain parts were inadvertently 'nicked' as the 'cut-throat razor' traversed my skin; there was no soap or shaving foam applied in those days - just a raw, dry shave. This was followed by a very liberal use of iodine which was fine everywhere except for one place!!!! There was absolutely no way I could have got out of my bed, put on my uniform and gone back to my unit in the forseeable future - and that was before the surgery had even been carried out; I was really thankful when they came with the jab to put me to sleep!
 
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