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I believe you've have stated your position, a true Christian position, quite well. Not everyone will agree, but that doesn't mean you're wrong. From the Ten Commandments and the actions of the God of the Old Testament, we know God does not like idolatry. And the God of the Old Testament is also the God of the New Testament. Worshiping other gods is idolatry, and those that practice such are idol worshipers.
I'm sorry my answers don't seem to answer your questions
I'm the kind of Christian who believes "A Church isn't a building, a Church is the people who go to the building."
I'm unclear how any of that means I'm afraid of Muslims.
Technically if anyone appears to fear Muslims wouldn't it be the person who feels just their presence is a threat to the building you worship in?
I shall point out where it appears that way to me.
You should be well aware of the impression you gave about Exodus 20:3. That impression was: it is not a sin to worship false gods.
And I don't have any gods before Him.Exodus 20:3 said:3Thou shalt have no other gods before me
the statement was:Given that, the above quote is meaningless. I have no idea what you consider to be "a Church."
I have to be honest here, I'm not sure how the above can be called meaningless. The words are all spelled correctly (thanx spell check!"A Church isn't a building, a Church is the people who go to the building."
...now I really don't understand. 2 points come to mindI am well aquainted with the fact that Christians make up the body of Christ - that we are the Church rather than the building. That is not the issue. (emph. added)
If a building isn't "THE CHURCH" then to my mind? the people who own the building should be free to loan/rent the building to whomever they like. That's it. That's my whole point.OK. Does that mean you're not afraid? If so, then is it because you're trying to keep the peace? Help me out a little.
Sorry, I wasn't sure if that was your position and I din't want to imply it was, I guess i wasn't very clear about it. :oIf that is directed at me, I'd prefer you come straight out and say it. Whatever the case, it is not an accurate representation of my position. I do not consider Muslim worship a threat to my church building. I never said anything of the sort.
and yet, it's my impression that that is indeed what this thread is aboutAgain, it's not the building that is the issue.
Sorry! I'll go back and re-read your post.When I realized that's what you thought, I tried to clarify back in post #18.
Not helping someone when it's in your power to do so.
(your turn!)
Except, of course, that Muslims don't worship other gods, or idols for that matter (indeed, they are distinctly less prone to anything that could be seen as idolatry than most Christians). They worship the same God as us, they just worship Him in a different way and believe different things about Him. Sorta like the Jews.
...does this have something to do with renting a building?
...so it didn't have anything to do with renting a building out?
tulc(just trying to keep track of the OP)
I was preparing to give you an example, and I wanted to put it in terms you would understand, so I needed to ask a few questions. But I'm not going to play this game anymore. Whether you are pretending not to understand me or whether the communication between us is seriously so bad that I can't get my point across, there is no point in continuing. Whatever the reason is, you continually misrepresent what I have said.
I stated my position in post #22. If you really have a question about that, PM me.
Not in our temples made with hands
God, the almighty, is dwelling;
High in the heavns his temple stands,
All earthly temples excelling;
Yet he who dwells in heavn above
Deigns to abide with us in love,
Making our bodies his temple.
We are Gods house of living stones,
Built for his own habitations;
He fills our hearts, his humble thrones,
Granting us life and salvation;
Were two or three to seek his face,
He in their midst would show his grace,
Blessings upon them bestowing.
Whilst the church is the body of believers, Jesus still overturned the tables of traders in the outer temple courts saying God's house is a house of prayer. Jesus and His disciples throughout the NT proposed to others that their gods were not the true God. I wonder how western society would take it today if Christians went into some of the Muslim dominated areas of the UK and in response to cliams about Allah said your Allah isnt God.
No, this is up to God, if it produces fruit then do it, if not then dont. Sadly I suspect the liberal christian motive is to show we are all worshipping one god as Blackwater Babe suggested, and which I demonstrated cannot possibily be the case.(emph. added)
QFT!
tulc(dedicates his next cup of coffee to Archivist!)
Not in our temples made with hands
God, the almighty, is dwelling;
High in the heavns his temple stands,
All earthly temples excelling;
Yet he who dwells in heavn above
Deigns to abide with us in love,
Making our bodies his temple.
We are Gods house of living stones,
Built for his own habitations;
He fills our hearts, his humble thrones,
Granting us life and salvation;
Were two or three to seek his face,
He in their midst would show his grace,
Blessings upon them bestowing.
Finally, some who agrees with me that it was a mistake for Christians to build a Temple/Synagogue on every street corner after the original Temple in Jerusalem was torn down!
A church I was attending was having money problems. I jokingly suggested that with the design of the building, we could easily install a KFC/Taco Bell drive-thru to collect additional revenues; the idea was not well received.
The reality is that even the most hard-core Calvinists would have a hard time stomaching the idea of letting Muslims use their basement, let alone the 'sanctuary.'
On the other hand, I'm sure that some of the more liberal congregations that advocate religious pluralism would be happy to open its doors to Muslims.
Rev. 18:4 And I heard another voice from heaven saying, ''Come out of her, my people, lest you share in her sins, and lest you receive of her plagues. 5 For her sins have reached to heaven, and God has remembered her crimes.''
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