"Churches blessing sin"

[Helo]

This was brought up in annother thread by someone else (Appologies to whoever it was for not remembering your name) and it wasnt really answered.

One of the issues with gay marraige is that people dont want gays to be married in a church, citing that the church would be blessing something that is considered sinful.

Well, athiests get married in churches, people who have had pre-marital sex get married in churches, people who consciously commit all kinds of sins get married in churches, why doesnt the church forbade they get married?

 

[MethodMan]

This was brought up in annother thread by someone else (Appologies to whoever it was for not remembering your name) and it wasnt really answered.

One of the issues with gay marraige is that people dont want gays to be married in a church, citing that the church would be blessing something that is considered sinful.

Well, athiests get married in churches, people who have had pre-marital sex get married in churches, people who consciously commit all kinds of sins get married in churches, why doesnt the church forbade they get married?

They should.

 

[Helo]

Point is, they dont

 

[Cerberus~]

They should.

How does decreasing the number of married couples make marriage stronger?

 

[Mirelys]

The church has no business regulating who gets married and who doesn't. That is not an authority that was given to it in Scripture.

 

[ChristianCenturion]

This was brought up in annother thread by someone else (Appologies to whoever it was for not remembering your name) and it wasnt really answered.

One of the issues with gay marraige is that people dont want gays to be married in a church, citing that the church would be blessing something that is considered sinful.

Well, athiests get married in churches, people who have had pre-marital sex get married in churches, people who consciously commit all kinds of sins get married in churches, why doesnt the church forbade they get married?

You may have it a bit mixed up.
The church isn't the source of blessing, God is.
In situations where the church is allegedly "blessing a sin", it doesn't mean that God will bless it, it means that the church in question is sharing in the sin. With your example of premarital sex partners getting married, umm... how exactly do you resolve the issue that you just removed the way for repenting from such by not letting them get married... possibly ever? And why on earth would Atheists want to get blessed by God who they don't believe exists?

 

[Helo]

And why on earth would Atheists want to get blessed by God who they don't believe exists?

Many people who arent religious get married in churches because it tends to be more of the cultural norm. Some people know you dont have to get married in a church, you can do it in a courthouse or judges chambers, but most weddings take place in churches

 

[ChristianCenturion]

Many people who arent religious get married in churches because it tends to be more of the cultural norm. Some people know you dont have to get married in a church, you can do it in a courthouse or judges chambers, but most weddings take place in churches

I realize that, the question was a socratic irony.
The point is, the Atheist is simply pretending and could allegedly care less if the church (or God) "really" blesses the union.

The OP is also over-generalized, many churches still refuse to marry unless the couple meet certain conditions.
When my wife and I were trying to get married, we were rejected by a good amount of churches for various reasons.

 

[MethodMan]

How does decreasing the number of married couples make marriage stronger?

Are they legitimate marriages if they go against the foundation of marriage in the Church?

 

[MethodMan]

The church has no business regulating who gets married and who doesn't. That is not an authority that was given to it in Scripture.

No - God did!

"But at the beginning of creation God `made them male and female.' 7 `For this reason a man will leave his father and mother and be united to his wife, 8 and the two will become one flesh.' So they are no longer two, but one. 9 Therefore what God has joined together, let man not separate."

 

[Mirelys]

No - God did!

"But at the beginning of creation God `made them male and female.' 7 `For this reason a man will leave his father and mother and be united to his wife, 8 and the two will become one flesh.' So they are no longer two, but one. 9 Therefore what God has joined together, let man not separate."

Exactly. It is between God and the people getting married, NOT between the people and the church, or the government, or whoever else wants to stick their nose where it doesn't belong.

 

[MethodMan]

Exactly. It is between God and the people getting married, NOT between the people and the church, or the government, or whoever else wants to stick their nose where it doesn't belong.

So you have no problem going against God in His Church?

 

[ChristianCenturion]

Exactly. It is between God and the people getting married, NOT between the people and the church, or the government, or whoever else wants to stick their nose where it doesn't belong.

Not to give you difficulty but under that simplistic view (which I don't totally disagree BTW), why involve the church at all then?

 

[kiwimac]

The Church involves itself in marriage because the church accepts that in some sense a marriage is a sacrament. That is it is an outward sign of an inward grace. Personally i consider marriage to be a simile for the love of God towards human-kind.

Kiwimac

 

[LittleNipper]

This was brought up in annother thread by someone else (Appologies to whoever it was for not remembering your name) and it wasnt really answered.

One of the issues with gay marraige is that people dont want gays to be married in a church, citing that the church would be blessing something that is considered sinful.

Well, athiests get married in churches, people who have had pre-marital sex get married in churches, people who consciously commit all kinds of sins get married in churches, why doesnt the church forbade they get married?

The church I attend will not marry a couple where one or both were once divorced. The church I attend will not marry a couple it feels is unequally yoked (two different faiths). The church I attend will only marry believers (those professing salvation through CHRIST). The church I attend will not knowingly marry a couple that has been engaging in premarital sex. This seems a strict line but I feel that any other opens the door to one exception after another. This only causes confusion and hard feelings. I honestly feel that the church I attend is very loving and forgiving; however, GOD and not any church has the right to set standards. The Bible clearly indicates what those standards are.

 

[wanderingone]

This was brought up in annother thread by someone else (Appologies to whoever it was for not remembering your name) and it wasnt really answered.

One of the issues with gay marraige is that people dont want gays to be married in a church, citing that the church would be blessing something that is considered sinful.

Well, athiests get married in churches, people who have had pre-marital sex get married in churches, people who consciously commit all kinds of sins get married in churches, why doesnt the church forbade they get married?

The fear of churches "blessing" sin doesn't even have a valid place in the gay marriage argument. Churches refuse to marry people for all kinds of reasons without government interference. Making gay marriage legal does not imply any church is obligated to marry gay couples in their church.

The churches that are not opposed to gay marriage are often already "blessing" them in a variety of ceremonies.. so apparently gay marriage not being recognized by the local government hasn't effected them HAVING ceremonies why would it effect them NOT having them?

 

[Thirst_For_Knowledge]

I think people may not know the difference between a marriage in reality and the Christian idea of marriage. I really don't see how the two are connected at all. Why would an atheist even want to get married in a church? Some random religion's blessing of your marriage should matter to you if it isn't your religion.

 

[Phred]

The church I attend will not marry a couple where one or both were once divorced. The church I attend will not marry a couple it feels is unequally yoked (two different faiths). The church I attend will only marry believers (those professing salvation through CHRIST). The church I attend will not knowingly marry a couple that has been engaging in premarital sex. This seems a strict line but I feel that any other opens the door to one exception after another. This only causes confusion and hard feelings. I honestly feel that the church I attend is very loving and forgiving; however, GOD and not any church has the right to set standards. The Bible clearly indicates what those standards are.

Hey, it's your church you decide what to do there... at least you're consistent.

 

[Cerberus~]

The church I attend will not marry a couple where one or both were once divorced. The church I attend will not marry a couple it feels is unequally yoked (two different faiths). The church I attend will only marry believers (those professing salvation through CHRIST). The church I attend will not knowingly marry a couple that has been engaging in premarital sex. This seems a strict line but I feel that any other opens the door to one exception after another. This only causes confusion and hard feelings. I honestly feel that the church I attend is very loving and forgiving; however, GOD and not any church has the right to set standards. The Bible clearly indicates what those standards are.

I love religions that make you feel unwelcomed!

Are they legitimate marriages if they go against the foundation of marriage in the Church?

Yes, because an all knowing pastor is the best judge of a "legitimate" marriage.

 

[Mirelys]

I think we have to answer some backround questions before the main question can be answered...

1. Is marriage of a civil nature or of a religious nature?
2. a. If it is of a civil nature, does the government have the right to regulate it?
b. If it is of a religious nature, does the church have the right to regulate it?

Am I making any sense at all? Need sleep