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Chronology of Revelation

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No. But if he ascends out of the pit in the future, it does tell us where he is now...

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I agree with you on that. But it is not quiet that simple. The person who becomes the beast is an end times person - currently alive. And has never been in the bottomless pit.

The beast in the bottomless pit was there before the time of John, but had died; and now as a disembodied spirit is in the bottomless pit. When he ascends out of the bottomless pit in the future - it will be as a disembodied spirit - as it does not say he is resurrected.

He will possess the end times person after that person is killed and brought back to life. To the amazement of the world. To them backing up his claim of being God - when just prior, he went into the temple, sat, claiming to be God.
 
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It doesn't say the color of the beast in the above text in Revelation 11.
Line upon line, precept upon precept, here a little there a little. If you can't understand this simple puzzle then I wouldn't trust anything that comes from you brother as per the veracity of it per se. I have a feeling you understand it, but just are playing parlor games. I don't play around via the Word of God, so it no my nag brother.

Everyone knows that its Apollyon who kills them, and that Apollyon is the Scarlet Colored Beast.
 
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Line upon line, precept upon precept, here a little there a little. If you can't understand this simple puzzle then I wouldn't trust anything that comes from you brother as per the veracity of it per se. I have a feeling you understand it, but just are playing parlor games. I don't play around via the Word of God, so it no my nag brother.

Everyone knows that its Apollyon who kills them, and that Apollyon is the Scarlet Colored Beast.
RT, you are attacking me, rather than admitting it doesn't say the color of the beast in Revelation 11. And it doesn't say the color of the beast in Revelation 13.

The beast is not Apollyon. The beast is not said to be an angel. And is not said to the angel of the bottomless pit. The number of the beast is the number of a man - not an angel. Revelation 13:18.

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Since you say Apollyon is the beast - how do you explain that the beast in Revelation 17 is scarlet colored?
And the dragon in Revelation 12 is red, and has the 7 heads and 10 horns? And why does not Apollyon have the 7 heads and 10 horns? Like the beast in Revelation 12, 13, 17.

All it says of Apollyon is that he is king over the Locust and is the angel of the bottomless. Have you ever stopped to consider that John was distinguishing Apolloyon from the other four angels bound in the river euphrates? That Apollyon is just an angel over the locust and resides in the bottomless pit, unlike the other four angels are in bound the the river Euphrates? It doesn't say that Apollyon is the king of the bottomless pit. Only that he was king of the locust.
 
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RT, you are attacking me, rather than admitting it doesn't say the color of the beast in Revelation 11. And it doesn't say the color of the beast in Revelation 13.

The beast is not Apollyon. The beast is not said to be an angel. And is not said to the angel of the bottomless pit. The number of the beast is the number of a man - not an angel. Revelation 13:18. (my marking in bold)

So what kind of image do you think an angel has? Don't you know that the meaning of Archangel Gabriel's name is 'man of God'? Did you miss Genesis 19 where the two angels sent to Lot appeared as young 'men', as written? God didn't create monsters, and the image of the heavenly which the angels have is... the image of man, because that... is the likeness from our Heavenly Father He created them with, and us in the flesh. And like Apostle Paul taught in 1 Cor.15, as we have borne the "image of the earthy", we shall also bear the "image of the heavenly".

Satan is the king and angel of the bottomless pit in Revelation 9. And Abaddon and Apollyon are... other of his many titles. The name Apollyon even is derived from the Greek apollumi which means perdition. That is one of Satan's titles because he has already been judged and sentenced to perdition in the future "lake of fire" event.

So you can keep listening to your doctors tell you Satan and the angels look like Mickey Mouse, and have all the fun you want. I think yall ought to continue to that and keep looking funny with your un-Biblical interpretation on the image of man that comes from God's Own image likeness.
 
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RT, you are attacking me, rather than admitting it doesn't say the color of the beast in Revelation 11. And it doesn't say the color of the beast in Revelation 13.

The beast is not Apollyon. The beast is not said to be an angel. And is not said to the angel of the bottomless pit. The number of the beast is the number of a man - not an angel. Revelation 13:18.
No one is attacking you, that's asinine, you sound like a SJW brother.......come on.

I made the ascertain that anyone should be able to understand that the Revelation 11 Beast that killed the Two-witnesses is Apollyon, the Scarlet Colored Beast of Rev. 9 and Rev. 17. Not one time did I mentioned Rev. 13, you might want to go back and check, I did via post # 78, the Rev. 13 Beast is a MAN, the Rev. 12 Beast is a Red Dragon (Satan) and the Rev. 17 Beast is Apollyon the Scarlet Colored Beast who came up out of the Bottomless Pit, he is the one that killed the Two-witnesses, that is a fact. That is pretty basic Prophecy stuff brother.

There are THREE BEASTS Mentioned.

1.) The Rev. 12 Beast is the Red Dragon (Satan) with 7 CROWNS on the Heads, hes over EARTHLY KINGDOMS.

2.) The Rev. 13 Beast is a MAN, the Little Horn, he is over the 10 Kings, thus 10 CROWNS on the Horns via the END TIMES, he is one of the Heads Satan is over, thus Satan gives him his SEAT.

3.) The Rev. 17 Beast is Apollyon, he is over the Mediterranean Sea Region (he was the prince of Persia) thus he has NO CROWNS, he is under Satan at all time and not a Physical being, he was placed in the Pit thus he WAS.......IS NOT.........YET IS.

All Demons were Angels and thus 2 of the Beasts were Angels, Satan & Apollyon, the other one is a MAN, the Anti-Christ becomes a Beast when he Conquers Israel.

Since you say Apollyon is the beast - how do you explain that the beast in Revelation 17 is scarlet colored?
And the dragon in Revelation 12 is red, and has the 7 heads and 10 horns? And why does not Apollyon have the 7 heads and 10 horns? Like the beast in Revelation 12, 13, 17.

Scarlet is Purple brother, Red is Red, I looked it up, they are not the same color. We had this discussion a year or so ago and I told you I was going to study it, that I had no idea why the Rev. 17 Beast had no crowns, we batted it around, but I wasn't satisfied. The Holy Spirit gave this to me in he last few months via study, I thought I had shared it with you.

The Crowns tell the difference in the three Beasts, as I explained above, no use repeating it here.

A Beast is just one that Rules over a Region or a peoples like Israel. Satan (Red Dragon) is a Beast over the whole World, but the 7 Heads and 10 Horns point to the Mediterranean Sea Region as per Israel's whole LIFE-SPAN.........That would of course be MINUS the years God saw them as Dead Men's Bones !! Thus from Egypt to Rome we had SIX BEAST HEADS in the Region.........2000 year Church Age..........In 1948 God breathed life back in Israel, after the Rapture a MAN will Conquer Jerusalem, thus he will be the 7th Beast Head that Satan is over via that region.

The Anti-Christ MAN BECOMES THE Beast/Little Horn/Man of Sin, when he Conquers Jerusalem, the 10 Kings give him their powers/kingdoms, thus this Beast of Rev. 13 is shown to have 10 CROWNS, He is one of the Seven Heads and he is over the 10 Kings thus the 10 Crowns.

The Scarlet Colored Beast was a Demon placed over the REGION (Mediterranean Sea Region) by Satan, just like all Regions of the world have demons placed over them. He resisted Micheal, he was the prince of Persia, he has NO CROWNS because he is not over Satan in the Spiritual world, and he is not a physical being on earth, although he is seen as an 8th King who was over and OF THE SEVEN. He was placed in the bottomless pit by God after the Church Age started and/or Israel was seen as Dead Men's Bones by God, thus he WAS........IS NOT........YET IS.

So all three are a part of the STORY of the 7 Heads and 10 Horns !!

All it says of Apollyon is that he is king over the Locust and is the angel of the bottomless. Have you ever stopped to consider that John was distinguishing Apolloyon from the other four angels bound in the river euphrates? That Apollyon is just an angel over the locust and resides in the bottomless pit, unlike the other four angels are in bound the the river Euphrates? It doesn't say that Apollyon is the king of the bottomless pit. Only that he was king of the locust.

There is only one Demon who is named that arises out of the Bottomless Pit. Satan is not in the Bottomless Pit and never has been, the Anti-Christ is a MAN........Men do not die and com back to life, the Beast from the Pit is Apollyon.

There are no Angels bound in the river Euphrates, they are BOUND to a POINT IN TIME !! They have a date with destiny so to speak. Do you really think God BOUND Angels in a river to await a point in time ? They are BOUND to a point in time.......Apollyon is The Destroyer, why do you think Israel called him that ? It was his APPOINTED TASK to destroy Israel, thus he drove Pharaoh after the children of Israel, even after he released them, he drove Assyria to capture the 10 tribes, etc. etc. etc.
 
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So you can keep listening to your doctors tell you Satan and the angels look like Mickey Mouse, and have all the fun you want. I think yall ought to continue to that and keep looking funny with your un-Biblical interpretation on the image of man that comes from God's Own image likeness.
what? You must be in the mood to lecture. I did not even mention what Satan or any angel looks like.

I wrote that Apollyon is not the beast. The beast will be a man. The number of his name is the number of a man.
 
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I made the ascertain that anyone should be able to understand that the Revelation 11 Beast that killed the Two-witnesses is Apollyon, the Scarlet Colored Beast of Rev. 9 and Rev. 17. Not one time did I mentioned Rev. 13, you might want to go back and check, I did via post # 78, the Rev. 13 Beast is a MAN, the Rev. 12 Beast is a Red Dragon (Satan) and the Rev. 17 Beast is Apollyon the Scarlet Colored Beast who came up out of the Bottomless Pit, he is the one that killed the Two-witnesses, that is a fact. That is pretty basic Prophecy stuff brother.
It doesn't say that the person is a scarlet colored beast, RT, in Revelation 11. You are making a wrong conclusion.

3.) The Rev. 17 Beast is Apollyon, he is over the Mediterranean Sea Region (he was the prince of Persia) thus he has NO CROWNS, he is under Satan at all time and not a Physical being, he was placed in the Pit thus he WAS.......IS NOT.........YET IS.
You are making up your own bible. It doesn't say in the text of the bible that Apollyon was the prince of Persia. It doesn't say in the bible that Apollyon was scarlet colored like the beast in Revelation 17:3.

You are making statements, on a scenario that you have come up with in your mind....which is flawed, RT. I am pointing out those flaws - but you are not receiving it very well.
 
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what? You must be in the mood to lecture. I did not even mention what Satan or any angel looks like.

I wrote that Apollyon is not the beast. The beast will be a man. The number of his name is the number of a man.

You said:
The number of the beast is the number of a man - not an angel.


Your implication was that an angel does not have the image of man, since you are indirectly associating 'man' with flesh man.

The beast (actually the "another beast" of Rev.13:11 forward) can... be an angel, even though that Revelation 13 Scripture uses the word 'man'. Gabriel's name means 'man of God', so how do you explain that... if the word 'man' must always mean a flesh man?
 
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what? You must be in the mood to lecture. I did not even mention what Satan or any angel looks like.

I wrote that Apollyon is not the beast. The beast will be a man. The number of his name is the number of a man.

Apollyon is the beast, the "another beast" of Rev.13:11. It's the dragon, another title for Satan himself. Apollyon is from Greek apollumi, which means perdition:

Rev 17:8
8 The beast that thou sawest was, and is not; and shall ascend out of the bottomless pit, and go into perdition: and they that dwell on the earth shall wonder, whose names were not written in the book of life from the foundation of the world, when they behold the beast that was, and is not, and yet is.

KJV

Rev 17:11
11 And the beast that was, and is not, even he is the eighth, and is of the seven, and goeth into perdition.

KJV
 
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Your implication was that an angel does not have the image of man, since you are indirectly associating 'man' with flesh man.
The form of angels is not what is being talked about in Revelation 13.

18 Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is Six hundred threescore and six.

Apollyon is not a man. He is an angel who is king over the locust.
 
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So what kind of image do you think an angel has? Don't you know that the meaning of Archangel Gabriel's name is 'man of God'? Did you miss Genesis 19 where the two angels sent to Lot appeared as young 'men', as written? God didn't create monsters, and the image of the heavenly which the angels have is... the image of man, because that... is the likeness from our Heavenly Father He created them with, and us in the flesh. And like Apostle Paul taught in 1 Cor.15, as we have borne the "image of the earthy", we shall also bear the "image of the heavenly".

Satan is the king and angel of the bottomless pit in Revelation 9. And Abaddon and Apollyon are... other of his many titles. The name Apollyon even is derived from the Greek apollumi which means perdition. That is one of Satan's titles because he has already been judged and sentenced to perdition in the future "lake of fire" event.


Correct.

G623
Ἀπολλύων
Apolluōn
ap-ol-loo'-ohn
Active participle of G622; a destroyer (that is, Satan): - Apollyon.
 
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Can you prove the above?

Can you name him?


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Parable of the fig tree. 2037 Jesus returns by. 7 years for the 70th week. The person becomes the little horn leader of Europe before then.... which means between now and the end of 2030. So he is alive right now.

Can't name him, at present, because I don't know who exactly it is.
 
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Apollyon is the beast, the "another beast" of Rev.13:11. It's the dragon, another title for Satan himself. Apollyon is from Greek apollumi, which means perdition:

Rev 17:8
8 The beast that thou sawest was, and is not; and shall ascend out of the bottomless pit, and go into perdition: and they that dwell on the earth shall wonder, whose names were not written in the book of life from the foundation of the world, when they behold the beast that was, and is not, and yet is.

KJV

Rev 17:11
11 And the beast that was, and is not, even he is the eighth, and is of the seven, and goeth into perdition.

KJV


So do you believe the false prophet is Satan himself? I do, that Satan is playing a role of false prophet, also false Messiah also known as the Antichrist but it's really just Satan playing an acting role.
 
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Parable of the fig tree. 2037 Jesus returns by. 7 years for the 70th week. The person becomes the little horn leader of Europe before then.... which means between now and the end of 2030. So he is alive right now.

Can't name him, at present, because I don't know who exactly it is.

What did Jesus do to the fig tree?

Mat_21:19 And when he saw a fig tree in the way, he came to it, and found nothing thereon, but leaves only, and said unto it, Let no fruit grow on thee henceforward for ever. And presently the fig tree withered away.

Mat_21:20 And when the disciples saw it, they marvelled, saying, How soon is the fig tree withered away!


Based on Matthew 10:5-7, and Romans 1:16, and Galatians 1:14-18, the Gospel was taken "first" to the Jewish people for about 7 years before Paul began his ministry to the Gentiles.

The only way you can see the 70th week of Daniel is with a time machine set to return you to the first century.

The angel Gabriel did not mention a "gap" in the 490 year prophecy.

Based on what is written in the New Testament, God is not going to save modern Jews outside of the Church during a future time.
It is one of the greatest deceptions of the Two Peoples of God doctrine.
It is a form of Dual Covenant Theology produced by replacing the one seed, with the many seeds in Galatians 3:16.

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It doesn't say that the person is a scarlet colored beast, RT, in Revelation 11. You are making a wrong conclusion.
No, I know exactly what I am speaking about.

You are making up your own bible. It doesn't say in the text of the bible that Apollyon was the prince of Persia. It doesn't say in the bible that Apollyon was scarlet colored like the beast in Revelation 17:3.

You are making statements, on a scenario that you have come up with in your mind....which is flawed, RT. I am pointing out those flaws - but you are not receiving it very well.

You just are not cut out for prophecy brother. What do you think it means in Rev. 17 when it says he was OF THE SEVEN......and even he is an 8th? It means that Apollyon was placed over that region, this he was OF THE SEVEN/Over the Seven as an 8th or King of the Region in the Spirit World. Now who were the SEVEN ? Well, they were Egypt, Assyria, Babylon...........Persia then Grecia. What happened in Dan. ch. 10 ? The prince of Persia RESISTED Micheal (Gods Will) for 21 days, so who was OF THE SEVEN Dougggg ? Apollyon the Destroyer whose job is to Destroy Israel. So Apollyon wanted Persia to remain in power, God's will was that Alexander the Great would come to power, therefore when Apollyon (prince of Persia at THAT TIME) resisted, Micheal and more Angels gave the victory to Alexander the Great in record SWIFTNESS !! Then Apollyon became the prince of Grecia IN THE SPIRIT WORLD.........Then the prince of Rome. You have to be able to understand these things outside a vacuum.

I means if we know Apollyon was OF THE SEVEN and we know who the SEVEN WERE why is it so hard to understand these things brother. The prince of Persia can only be Apollyon. Just maybe some are called to prophecy and some aren't brother, its no bigeee, but its true.
 
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lol....men are the only ones that die and come back to life.
I think you are missing the point. We come back to life when we are given Glorious bodies. Men are not born again of a mother, nor do they return to earth after they die in their Flesh bodies. Elijah will have a glorious body, that it why he was seen at the transfiguration.

Hes saying a MAN goes to the Pit, the 2000 years later comes back to earth to b the Beast. Snickers are good, but only with chocolate on top.

My point is the coming Anti-Christ will not arise from the Bottomless Pit, he will be born in Greece and come to power in the E.U. No man is going to arise from the pit, its a Demon named Apollyon that arises from the pit and kills the Two-witnesses.
So do you believe the false prophet is Satan himself? I do, that Satan is playing a role of false prophet, also false Messiah also known as the Antichrist but it's really just Satan playing an acting role.

No, the False Prophet will be a Jewish High Priest, I think we covered this the other day...Oh well.
 
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No, I know exactly what I am speaking about.
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