Christians are not commanded to observe the seventh day.

MoreCoffee said:

God rested on the seventh day of creation. He didn't command Adam and Eve to do so.

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God worked hard as ever on the Seventh Day of creation.

Or creation would have sank back into oblivion.

But God's REST was God's WORK. And that saved us so that we today still may sing the praises of his Name.

[PS, The same thing in nanno scale has happened unknown times over in my short life span.]

psalms 91 said:

What did God say? Are we grafted into the Jewish vine? If so then does God change? Doing what He commanded is not an option

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The vine is not Jewish.

See Eph 2:15 the new man, came after Jewish law abolishment, so there goes you 'Jewish" vine.



It is by the gospel that the new man came, which has nothing to do with race, see Eph 3:6.


No Jew or Greek, see Col, 3:11, and Gal 3:28.


No one is seed, via the flesh, or lineage, see Rom 9:8, not the children of God by lineage.


Circumcision or uncircumcision means nothing, see Gal 5:6, and Gal 6:15.


Lets start thinking about the new creation, see 2 Cor 5:17, not the old creation.

Alrighty now...

psalms 91 said:

When God made the earth what did He do on the seventh day If you say that they did not know of this then explain how Cain and Able sacrificed before the Law? Or Abraham tithed before the Law?

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God was able to tell people what to do, that's all.


The law did not come until Sinai, Rom 5:13, there was a time of no law, Gal 3:17, it did not come until 430 years after Abe.



David, Moses, Hebrews, Paul, Nehemiah, and Stephen all stress Sinai, with Angels, as far as when the torah came.



Angels, law, and Sinai. Delivery date. RECEIVED it, ORDAINED, said Stephen, not a hint about sooner, ORDAINED said Paul too...they all say angels, they all thought the same thing, angels, received, ordained, and or Sinai.



Paul.
Galatians 3:19 Why the Law then? It was added because of transgressions, having been ordained through angels by the agency of a mediator, until the seed would come to whom the promise had been made.

Stephen.
Acts 7:53 you who received the law as ordained by angels, and yet did not keep it.”

Hebrews.
Hebrews 2:2For if the word spoken through angels proved unalterable, and every transgression and disobedience received a just penalty,


Ok, now look at this description here, lightning, and angels, mountain. Blazing fire, lightning, see the connection? Sinai, angels.

Moses
Deuteronomy 33:2 He said, "The LORD came from Sinai, And dawned on them from Seir; He shone forth from Mount Paran, And He came from the midst of ten thousand holy ones; At His right hand there was flashing lightning for them.


Ok, now again, lets take a peep at the witness from Hebrews, BLAZING FIRE, same as the lightning of Deut 33:2.


Hebrews 12:18For you have not come to what may be touched, a blazing fire and darkness and gloom and a tempest


David
Psalms 68:17The chariots of God are twenty thousand, even thousands of angels: the Lord is among them, as in Sinai, in the holy place.


Neh 9:13 Thou camest down also upon mount Sinai, and spakest with them from heaven, and gavest them right judgments, and true laws, good statutes and commandments:

MoreCoffee said:

How about you folk who want to have Christians keep the seventh day show me where christians are commanded to keep the seventh day?

Put your theology where the verses are!

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MoreCoffee said:

Okay, now you're talking.

No commandment in Genesis to keep the seventh day. True. So why do folk pretend that there is?

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I wonder about that too.

MoreCoffee said:

Christians are not commanded to observe the seventh day.

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Most Orthodox still do, though in the bigger churches there is actually a chance to observe every day of the week. My church has vespers on Saturday.

MoreCoffee said:

Some claim that all christians are commanded by God to keep the seventh day holy. That is not true.

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Truth for some can be false for others.



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MoreCoffee said:

Some claim that all christians are commanded by God to keep the seventh day holy. That is not true.

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Until you read the actual Bible.

There you find that the "NEW Covenant" is made with "the house of Israel" and that includes all Christians in Hebrews 8:6-10.

So also the "Sabbath was made for MANKIND" Mark 2:27
From "Sabbath to Sabbath shall ALL MANKIND come before Me to worship" Is 66:23.

And of course

"The SEVENTH day is the SABBATH of the Lord thy God" Exodus 20:10

Ex 20
11 For in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, and rested the seventh day. Therefore the Lord blessed the Sabbath day and hallowed it.

It seems like there are many people on this thread that want to confuse things on purpose.

I would like to challenge anyone to show me from the bible alone where we are commanded either to not keep the seventh day sabbath holy, or that we are commanded to keep SUNday holy.

Personally I prefer to keep whatever the Lord tells me to.

masmpg said:

It seems like there are many people on this thread that want to confuse things on purpose.

I would like to challenge anyone to show me from the bible alone where we are commanded either to not keep the seventh day sabbath holy, or that we are commanded to keep SUNday holy.

Personally I prefer to keep whatever the Lord tells me to.

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If you hear God speaking to you personally, then, by all means, do exactly what He tells you to do.

bbbbbbb said:

If you hear God speaking to you personally, then, by all means, do exactly what He tells you to do.

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I believe that you hear the Holy Spirit speaking to you too. If you remember what the job is of the Holy Spirit found in
John:16:7&8: "Nevertheless I tell you the truth; It is expedient for you that I go away: for if I go not away, the Comforter will not come unto you; but if I depart, I will send him unto you. And when he is come, he will reprove the world of sin, and of righteousness, and of judgment:" His job is to reprove us, or convict us to come to Jesus. Without the voice of the Holy spirit nobody would come to Jesus because He seeks us we do not seek Him.

Keep them coming. God bless

bbbbbbb said:

If you hear God speaking to you personally, then, by all means, do exactly what He tells you to do.

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Let's say, just for a challenge, that 100 people hear from God,
but 99 of them are hearing from an angel of light like Adam and Havah did in the garden (i.e. not exactly God Himself, to put it most polite).

How then can that 99 hearing an angel of light,
determine this ? (instead of doing exactly what he tells them do do)

(With the hope even without any likely expectation
that the 99 WANT to determine this BEFORE DOing what he says)
At least ONE out of the 100 will rule out the deceptive angel of light, right ? At least we hope so !

Oh, the point is , WHAT is the TEST ? The PROOF ? The STANDARD?

yeshuaslavejeff said:

Let's say, just for a challenge, that 100 people hear from God,
but 99 of them are hearing from an angel of light like Adam and Havah did in the garden (i.e. not exactly God Himself, to put it most polite).

How then can that 99 hearing an angel of light,
determine this ? (instead of doing exactly what he tells them do do)

(With the hope even without any likely expectation
that the 99 WANT to determine this BEFORE DOing what he says)
At least ONE out of the 100 will rule out the deceptive angel of light, right ? At least we hope so !

Oh, the point is , WHAT is the TEST ? The PROOF ? The STANDARD?

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There is a sure test of whether or not we are hearing the Holy Spirit. It is found in Isaiah:8:20: "To the law and to the testimony: if they speak not according to this word, it is because there is no light in them." If we follow this rule we cannot fail nor deceive anybody else.

yeshuaslavejeff said:

Let's say, just for a challenge, that 100 people hear from God,
but 99 of them are hearing from an angel of light like Adam and Havah did in the garden (i.e. not exactly God Himself, to put it most polite).

How then can that 99 hearing an angel of light,
determine this ? (instead of doing exactly what he tells them do do)

(With the hope even without any likely expectation
that the 99 WANT to determine this BEFORE DOing what he says)
At least ONE out of the 100 will rule out the deceptive angel of light, right ? At least we hope so !

Oh, the point is , WHAT is the TEST ? The PROOF ? The STANDARD?

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Yes, the test is always the Word of God. Too many sincere people have been deceived into thinking the Holy Spirit is speaking to them when what they believe is against God's Word.

Glad I found this thread. This topic literally came up for me the other day and I did some reading.

I had always believed that there was no requirement to keep any Sabbath for believers now in the usual sense. I believed something like: Christ had fulfilled the Sabbath; the Sabbath was meant to point to Christ as a "shadow"; Christ Himself is the fulfillment of the Sabbath; to be in fulfillment of any requirement related to the Sabbath only required that you be in Christ; if you are in Christ then you are in fulfillment of the Sabbath, with no other requirement of any kind. And of course, Sunday is not any new Sabbath. Colossians 2 also figured prominently for me, among other things.

Just the other day this idea was challenged, Saturday asserted as the continuing Sabbath, and I did some reading.

I must say in all candor, so far it does seem I and apparently many others may have been mistaken, for centuries. So far it really does seem when I try to look at things as honestly as possible that it may well be true that the commandment about the Sabbath is not only in effect but that the Sabbath is also Saturday every week.

So far this is some of what I read just the other day, and it's very clearly and cogently written and compelling reading:


http://www.sabbathtruth.com/faq/frequently-asked-questions/id/929/please-explain-colossians-214


http://www.sabbathtruth.com/sabbath-history/how-the-sabbath-was-changed


http://www.sabbathtruth.com/free-resources/book-library/book/e/37/t/is-sunday-really-sacred

Okay, now it seems I may have been right the first time and that seventh day Sabbath observance requirement (or any day) may be wrong:

http://www.bible.ca/7-Col2-14-16.htm

http://www.letusreason.org/7thAd24.htm

The other items I posted previously do appear valuable for other aspects of the topic, however.

I'm sticking with my original conviction until it is proven otherwise in a clear and compelling way.

ChristianMatchmaking said:

Okay, now it seems I may have been right the first time and that seventh day Sabbath observance requirement (or any day) may be wrong:

http://www.bible.ca/7-Col2-14-16.htm

http://www.letusreason.org/7thAd24.htm

The other items I posted previously do appear valuable for other aspects of the topic, however.

I'm sticking with my original conviction until it is proven otherwise in a clear and compelling way.

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I was a Sabbath trier, trier because I never was able to "keep'' the Sabbath as require by law. No one has and this was the problem with all of the commands of Torah. Israel failed and God annulled the Torah.Paul wrote in Galatians 19 that the law was until Jesus (past tense). It seem Sabbath observers are quick to make excuses for Paul's Gal 19 statement as well as all the other statements about the law not being over Christians. Read 2Cor 3:7-11 and find out if the 10 commandments are still Christian's guide our whether it is the Holy spirit that is our guide.
7 The Law of Moses was written on stone and it brought death. But God’s shining-greatness was seen when it was given. When Moses took it to the Jews, they could not look at his face because of the bright light. But that bright light in his face began to pass away. 8 The new way of life through the Holy Spirit comes with much more shining-greatness. 9 If the Law of Moses, that leads to death, came in shining-greatness, how much greater and brighter is the light that makes us right with God? 10 The Law of Moses came with shining-greatness long ago. But that light is no longer bright. The shining-greatness of the New Way of Worship that brings us life is so much brighter. 11 The shining light that came with the Law of Moses soon passed away. But the new way of life is much brighter. It will never pass away.

Here is another rendering of Paul's writing:
7 Now if the ministry that brought death, which was engraved in letters on stone, came with glory, so that the Israelites could not look steadily at the face of Moses because of its glory, transitory though it was, 8 will not the ministry of the Spirit be even more glorious? 9 If the ministry that brought condemnation was glorious, how much more glorious is the ministry that brings righteousness! 10 For what was glorious has no glory now in comparison with the surpassing glory. 11 And if what was transitory came with glory, how much greater is the glory of that which lasts!


13 But now you belong to Christ Jesus. At one time you were far away from God. Now you have been brought close to Him. Christ did this for you when He gave His blood on the cross. 14 We have peace because of Christ. He has made the Jews and those who are not Jews one people. He broke down the wall that divided them. 15 He stopped the fighting between them by His death on the cross. He put an end to the Law. Eph 2

For those of you that believe Matt 5:16-17 doesn't mean that the law ended with the death of Christ on the Cross I commend you to re-read Eph 2: 13-15

Please do not tell us that we can commit adultery because we are no longer under Torah law. That is pure asinine. Christians are under a higher law the Royal law of love. Love will not do anything anything to hurt us or anyone else.

masmpg said:

It seems like there are many people on this thread that want to confuse things on purpose.

I would like to challenge anyone to show me from the bible alone where we are commanded either to not keep the seventh day sabbath holy, or that we are commanded to keep SUNday holy.

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Why did you purposely capitalize Sun. The naming of days has nothing to do with God's plan for man. What is wrong with you people who try to make mountains out of nothing. Neither one of us can prove Sunday is a requirement for Christians to observe. That is pure nonsense. The plain fact is you too cannot prove that Christians are to observe the day given to Israel as their Holy day. in fact, if you believe Paul was Christ's ambassador to the World and his writings are true you will find that he wrote much about the law (Torah) not being a part of Christians rules. He even addressed the Sabbath specifically in Col 2:16-17 which your church denys. We are not to judge others for not observing new moons, festivals, and the weekly Sabbath because they were merely shadows of Christ Jesus. I, for one, think it would be a tremendous wast of time trying to worship shadows.

I don't believe you have ever taken the time or effort to answer my post in another thread. I can only assume you couldn't and just ignored it.

Personally I prefer to keep whatever the Lord tells me to.

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So do I, but to keep (keep is a misnomer) days that were for one now defunct nation is a complete waste of time. God, in the new and better covenant, isn't concerned about the keeping of days, He is very concerned how we treat our fellow men.

ChristianMatchmaking said:

Okay, now it seems I may have been right the first time and that seventh day Sabbath observance requirement (or any day) may be wrong:

http://www.bible.ca/7-Col2-14-16.htm

http://www.letusreason.org/7thAd24.htm

The other items I posted previously do appear valuable for other aspects of the topic, however.

I'm sticking with my original conviction until it is proven otherwise in a clear and compelling way.

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Although keeping, or observing any day is not yet a requirement for salvation, the forth commandment has never been done away with, neither have any of the TEN. Those who will quote Colossians 2:14-17 to prove that A law was "nailed to the cross" and try to tie the TEN commandments with the "law" that was nailed to the cross show a great lack of study and an even greater adherence to tradition over God's word. The "law" that was nailed to the cross was the ceremonial laws that pointed to Jesus. Did the TEN commandments point to Jesus, or were they in fact instituted during creation where there were no jews, for those who think the seventh day sabbath is for the jews only. The law that was actually "nailed to the cross" was the law that Moses wrote in a book according to deuteronomy 31. The only "law" or part of the "law" that was nailed to the cross was the part that Paul describes as Colossians:2:14: "Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross;" Has the TEN commandments ever been referred to as against us???? OR contrary to us???? Never! If you read about the book that Moses wrote in deuteronomy it contains the blessings and the curses against the children of Israel. Paul writes of both laws in Romans:7:12: "Wherefore the law is holy, and the commandment holy, and just, and good." Paul wrote that the "law" is holy, and the TEN commandments are and always have been considered holy just and good. The TEN commandments are the law of love. Those who want to say we have to do nothing but mutter a few words have no idea about what any law is even for. If we love, according to the supposed "new" commandment Jesus gave us would it be possible to break any of the TEN commandments? Here is what Jesus was quoting from when He stated that we are to love God with all our heart and our neighbors as ourselves, found in Deuteronomy:6:5: "And thou shalt love the LORD thy God with all thine heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy might." Leviticus:19:18: "Thou shalt not avenge, nor bear any grudge against the children of thy people, but thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself: I am the LORD." So was the "new" commandment Jesus gave to love actually "new"? Or was it a reminder. The people forgot how to love, and that is one of the reasons Jesus had to come. The sermon on the mount was all about principles that must be practiced if we truly agape love! To say we love and do nothing is hypocrisy.

BTW very soon we will have to make a choice about which day to worship on. It has happened in the past over and over, and history does repeat itself. There already was a national SUNday law here in USA in 1888. We can all thank an SDA attorney AT Jones for the privilege of being born, because if he did not bravely stand against the senate sub committee the SUNday law would have been passed and we would not have been born. You can read the whole transcript here.

http://temcat.com/L-1-adv-pioneer-lib/ATJONES/NationalSundayLaw-Jones.pdf