Christianity without Paul

[Righttruth]

but not legally speaking

I am not interested in legality

 

[Righttruth]

This reveals either (a) sheer ignorance or (b) a rejection of the New Testament. Well unbelieving Jews reject the NT but Messianic Jews accept the entire NT.

I am not ignorant of the books of the NT. I reject all writings that contradict the preaching of Jesus.

 

[Righttruth]

How can Paul contradict Jesus when he was personally taught by Christ? There are no contradictions whatsoever and you would have to manufacture one.

Unsupported self-claims amount to fabrication.

 

[Righttruth]

So by following the Law, you will attain perfect righteousness?

This:

And be found in him, not having mine own righteousness, which is of the law, but that which is through the faith of Christ, the righteousness which is of God by faith:
Phil. 3:9

Righteousness is not attained by believing a few verses. One should cultivate the fruit of the Spirit.

refers to this:

And it shall be our righteousness, if we observe to do all these commandments before the LORD our God, as he hath commanded us.
Deut. 6:25

Again I'll ask. Do you light a fire on Sabbath? Do you drive on Sabbath? Prepare meals?

God's revelation did not stop with Moses. The final revelation came through Jesus. Sabbath is beneficial physically and spiritually. It is not just the question of eating or fasting

 

[Standing Up]

Righteousness is not attained by believing a few verses. One should cultivate the fruit of the Spirit.



God's revelation did not stop with Moses. The final revelation came through Jesus. Sabbath is beneficial physically and spiritually. It is not just the question of eating or fasting

Ok, so you don't follow the Law. You pick and choose to follow what appeals to you. So when you stand before God, do you think He will agree with your approach?

 

[ToBeLoved]

Not as an apostle

I consider Jesus speaking to Paul on the road to Damascus choosing him. The other apostles did too


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[ToBeLoved]

Yes, he took short cuts for convenience to deviate from the sublime truth preached by Jesus

Most people if not all would not even understand being born again spiritually without Romans and the letters to the Corinthians.

Or how to setup the churches.

I think you seriously undervalue Paul.


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[ToBeLoved]

I believe the the writings were inspired by the Spirit, not that the Spirit wrote them. One can only hear the Spirit, not read the Spirit!
[/I]

This is extremely short sighted. The Spirit leads us in truth and wisdom. Much of this is from God's Word. Pray before reading God's Word for spiritual insight. See if the Spirit leads.


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[expos4ever]

One out of many: institution of communion. Jesus never said to repeat that as a remembrance of His death.

Ok, we need to clarify. The fact that Paul extends and amplifies on things Jesus talked about is not news.

And it is certainly not evidence that Paul in any sense contradicts or rejects any of Jesus' teaching.

Can you think of any example where Paul contradicts Jesus?

 

[ToBeLoved]

Jesus is the way, life and truth, not a bunch of theology that is 'ear tickling'

What is ear tickling about Paul? He practiced what he preached and knew the law and Jewish customs better than most.


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[ToBeLoved]

It is clear that Peter never claimed Paul wrote inspired by the Holy Spirit. Poor Paul was troubled by the messenger of Satan. The wisdom in Paul's writings has to be verified with other sources. It is not one way track with self-claims.



Canon is man-made. What is applicable to animals cannot be applied to men.

You don't think God can control what went into the scriptural canon? Oh boy.

If you don't trust it how can you
Say the words of Jesus are Jos Word?


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[ToBeLoved]

Logic can be used to prove either way. Scripture ended with the OT. It is the Holy Spirit now and writings. Jesus warned of false prophets, and did not indicate new writings to tell about Him. The Holy Spirit will remind of Jesus' preaching not suppositions and self-claims of Paul.

Then how does Jesus fit in?


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[RDKirk]

Yes, serious for the sake of the truth, not for livelihood which Paul's theology leads to instead of life of Jesus.

How do you know what scripture is? How did you come by it?

Logic can be used to prove either way. Scripture ended with the OT. It is the Holy Spirit now and writings. Jesus warned of false prophets, and did not indicate new writings to tell about Him. The Holy Spirit will remind of Jesus' preaching not suppositions and self-claims of Paul.

So who is this "Jesus" fellow we've heard about? I guess you reject Jesus entirely.

 

[Righttruth]

Ok, so you don't follow the Law. You pick and choose to follow what appeals to you. So when you stand before God, do you think He will agree with your approach?

One has to satisfy the spirit of the Law which is more difficult than satisfying the letter of the Law

 

[Righttruth]

I consider Jesus speaking to Paul on the road to Damascus choosing him. The other apostles did too


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Jesus did not choose Paul as an apostle after contradictory Damascus event.

 

[Righttruth]

Most people if not all would not even understand being born again spiritually without Romans and the letters to the Corinthians.

Or how to setup the churches.

I think you seriously undervalue Paul.


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Paul is valuable whenever he complements Jesus.

 

[Righttruth]

This is extremely short sighted. The Spirit leads us in truth and wisdom. Much of this is from God's Word. Pray before reading God's Word for spiritual insight. See if the Spirit leads.


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That is my point too instead of looking back at the Gospel through the tail of Paul.

 

[Righttruth]

Ok, we need to clarify. The fact that Paul extends and amplifies on things Jesus talked about is not news.

And it is certainly not evidence that Paul in any sense contradicts or rejects any of Jesus' teaching.

Can you think of any example where Paul contradicts Jesus?

I have given already. To repeat, Paul instituted the ritual of communion with his Pharisaic background by using the word 'remembrance' which Jesus did not utter. This is one of many examples.

 

[Righttruth]

What is ear tickling about Paul? He practiced what he preached and knew the law and Jewish customs better than most.

But his preaching did not conform to the preaching of Jesus on many counts.

 

[Righttruth]

You don't think God can control what went into the scriptural canon? Oh boy.

If you don't trust it how can you
Say the words of Jesus are Jos Word?


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Do we have one Holy Spirit or a few? Why different canons for different groups? The Holy Spirit will guide us into all truth.