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Christianity and pagan concepts?

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thetraveledsoul "...the people worshipped the son Tammus and that is what the cross people wear around their necks stands for really"

Sorry to disappoint you, but the Cross that I wear around my neck does not stand for "Tammus" or any other pagan entity. It reminds me at all times that God loves me so much that His son, my Lord and Savior, Jesus the Christ gave himself and died that I can be saved from eternal death.:crossrc:

EDIT: And who or what is this Tammus and Nimrod and where did you come up with this?
 
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thetraveledsoul "...the people worshipped the son Tammus and that is what the cross people wear around their necks stands for really"

Sorry to disappoint you, but the Cross that I wear around my neck does not stand for "Tammus" or any other pagan entity. It reminds me at all times that God loves me so much that His son, my Lord and Savior, Jesus the Christ gave himself and died that I can be saved from eternal death.:crossrc:

EDIT: And who or what is this Tammus and Nimrod and where did you come up with this?

Nimrod gets a rather short mention in Genesis 10 and 1 Chronicles 1 in a genealogical list, as the grandson of Ham. Tammuz was a Sumerian god of vegitation, worshiped also by the Akkadians (who took over Sumeria) and the descendant Akkadian states of Assyria and Babylonia.

I'm not sure how Tammuz becomes Nimrod's son. The name Tammuz apparently means "true" or "faithful son", but how that's being identified with Nimrod, son of Cush is a good question.

My guess is that it's part of the modern day mythology that has come to be associated with Nimrod, with Nimrod founding Babylonia and supposedly created a false satanic religion that opposed YHVH, etc. These ideas are usually found in numerous fundamentalist sources, and apparently are used by Watchtower sorts as well; generally as a means of ultimately attributing everything they don't like (e.g. that icky Catholicism stuff) to some ancient satanic conspirator whose name comes up like three or four times in the entire Bible.

I'm guessing associating the Christian cross with Tammuz involves taking the first letter of Tammuz, which in various semitic alphabets is the taw, (from which the Greek Tau and the Latin 'T' derive) and since a 'T' (the Phoenician symbol looks more like an 'X') is a similar shape to the Christian cross then there must be some nefarious connection involved.

Upon looking further, this idea apparently was put forward originally by Hislop in The Two Babylons, an explicitly anti-Catholic work without any credibility or substantiation for many of his claims (for example, this one).

Most ironically, God instructs the Israelites to be inscribed on their foreheads with the letter Taw:

"And YHVH said unto him, 'Go through the midst of the city, through the midst of Jerusalem, and set a Taw upon their foreheads of the men that sigh and that cry for all the abominations that be done in the midst thereof.'" - Ezekiel 9:4

-CryptoLutheran
 
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Via Crucis,

Thanks. I found Nimrod and even some information about various sources attributing Nimrod as being a ruler that was involved in the building of the Tower of Babel. There was even a legend that Nimrod had two sons, Hunar and Magyar; who became the patriarchs, respectively the Huns and the Magyars. Never found anything on Tammus, closest was Tammuz. But nothing of a connection between Nimrod and Tammuz.
I was trying to find out if Traveled had some Biblical or academic information, or is this just another "chicken little told henny penny ..."
Thanks again
 
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