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Scott_LaFrance said:And your basis for saying that is......
but if you kill someone else? So, your own life is less valuable to God than someone else's?Give'imGlory said:It is my opinion. When you look at the commandment thou shalt not murder it means taking someones life IMO. Not the other way around. The bible from what I remember does not say if you kill yourself you're going to hell.
\Scott_LaFrance said:but if you kill someone else? So, your own life is less valuable to God than someone else's?
I don't know. I suppose God doesn't want us walking around spilling other people's blood while thinking we are covered by His Son's.Give'imGlory said:\
Dude murder is not the unpardonable sin. So why would'nt murdering someone send you straight to hell?
Gotta go. Lunch break is over.
Give'imGlory said:It is my opinion. When you look at the commandment thou shalt not murder it means taking someones life IMO. Not the other way around. The bible from what I remember does not say if you kill yourself you're going to hell.
Lisa0315 said:You do not know a thing about depression. Most cases of depression are related to chemical inbalances in the brain. It is an illness, not a SIN to be depressed. If you are concerned with the fruit of a Christian, I would check your own. The first fruit is love, my friend. Where is your compassion and Christian charity?
Lisa
Affinity said:Wow! Your kind of rude, aren't you? First off, yes I do know about depression, try reading the post two spaces before yours. And second, I never once said in the section you quoted me on, or in others for that matter, that depression was a sin. I was mostly talking about suicide. And third, that comment you make above about me "checking my own", that's what I would call the fallacy of attacking the person. If your going to debate, it would probably be best if you didn't cross that line.
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"Once saved, always saved". "ALL" sins were paid for on the cross.ChrisinMI said:Where do they go? Heaven or Hell?? Is one sin more damning than another?? Isn't all sin bad regardless of how we 'rank' it in our society?
Once Saved, always saved?
Lisa0315 said:You do not know a thing about depression. Most cases of depression are related to chemical inbalances in the brain. It is an illness, not a SIN to be depressed. If you are concerned with the fruit of a Christian, I would check your own. The first fruit is love, my friend. Where is your compassion and Christian charity?
Lisa
There can be hormones or chemical imbalances, that's for sure, but they are caused by a sinful soul.
Bill777 said:Depression is a sin like being an alcoholic, a smoker, having a drug addiction, being a homosexual etc. I don't believe it's genetic.
There can be hormones or chemical imbalances, that's for sure, but they are caused by a sinful soul.
We can't blame sin on biology (chemical imbalances, problems with the frontal cortex etc.). Psychologists believe that violent murderers and rapists have a problem in the frontal cortex of the brain that causes their violent behaviour, this is all nice and dandy but good luck with using that excuse at judgment day with God. God will not accept a biological predisposition or a medical reason as an excuse for sin. Sin is sickness of the soul, and you can't get to heaven by producing a doctor's certificate documenting your sinful condition (whether a genetic predisposition or a chemical imbalance). Fortunately you can get to heaven by Christ's atonement on the cross if you repent of your sin.
With that said we have to be cautious sometimes condemning depression, because God looks with favour on those that don't have many material posessions or suffer in this world. So if somebody is afflicted by hunger, loss of a relative, persecution, God loves that person and in no way can we say that he will condemn that person if he/she feels a bit down as a result of events like the ones described.
ChrisinMI said:Where do they go? Heaven or Hell?? Is one sin more damning than another?? Isn't all sin bad regardless of how we 'rank' it in our society?
Once Saved, always saved?
Lisa0315 said:So, depression that I suffered after my first child was caused by sin???? No, it was caused by chemical imbalances. Since I was not a Christian at the time and there was no repentance, how do you account for my "miraculous" recovery? Err..Not sin, not repentance of sin, but the chemicals caused by pregnancy and the birth of my child regulated themselves after about six months.
Depression can lead to sinful behavior, but in of itself, depression is not a sin. Depression can and often will lead to salvation as well, but depression is not salvation either. Your logic is faulty. One does not equal the other.
cygnusx1 said:most suicide cases are undertaken by people "out of their mind" they just are not thinking right , God doesn't condemn the mentally ill!
QuantaCura said:That was on justification, not salvation. John Paul II promulgated the catechism that specifically says those who die in a state of unrepented mortal sin go to Hell.
Bill777 said:Yeah, right. That's like saying that any man that looks at Cindy Crawford and is turned on by her sexy body is not sinning. After all this is caused by a man's hormones. So we can safely say according to your logic that sexual lust is not a sin. Fact is both depression and sexual desire outside marriage are sins.
Now I would have to agree that depression like any other sin may lead to salvation, but this can only happen when the sinner acknowledges depression as a sin and repents.. I would say that sexual lust can also lead to salvation, the same way depression can, it only leads to salvation if a man repents. So my advice to anybody suffering from lust or depression is the same, repent and be saved. Both depression and sexual lust are sins. Hormones, chemical imbalances etc. they all can lead to sin whether it'd be depression or sexual desire. And anybody that repents from his/her sins and trusts Jesus for the forgiveness of sins shall be saved.
Bill777 said:Mental illness is sin by definition. As a rule of thumb, only if you don't have the mind of Christ you can be mentally ill. Although there is the odd exception like if you suffer brain damage as a result of an accident or there may be the odd disease that damages brain cells (Alzheimers may be one of them although I'm not 100% sure).
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