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Christian Viewpoint On The Gun Debate

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yes, I would object to the ten day waiting period and the requirement to register.
 
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Yet handguns kill more people and people keep focusing on the guns that take LESS lives.
This is true. Which is why I made the following posts immediately after the one you quoted.


 
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yes, I would object to the ten day waiting period and the requirement to register.
What do you find objectional about a waiting period and gun registration?
 
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How would we do that without further gun control?
How do we enforce the laws already on the books without making more actually enforce them and not just say we do. For example. have harsher prison sentences for certain gun crimes
 
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What is your source for this information?
for the suicide number you mean or for the fact in general most shootings are not completely random?
 
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or the suicide number you mean or for the fact in general most shootings are not completely random?
"2 in 3 gun deaths are by the person's own hand and most of the others are either in the commission of some other crime, gang related or would have happened anyway."
 
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What do you find objectional about a waiting period and gun registration?
The waiting period because self-defense is needed when it is needed and the registration because it is none of the government's business who owns which guns and frankly I do not trust them to know.
 
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"2 in 3 gun deaths are by the person's own hand and most of the others are either in the commission of some other crime, gang related or would have happened anyway."
I read the number somewhere I am trying to tract it down as to the second that is just common sense in a way sense percentage wise truly random mass shootings actually lead to very few deaths.
 
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I don't see any biblical reason why gun ownership would be wrong.

Gun's are objects, tools, and recreation.

I think it's time we stopped considering guns to be "taboo" or "evil". The media has hyped all of this up and blown it up to brainwash us.

Think of all the things that are hurting society.... and are legal.

Think of all the everyday things that are deadly.... if in the wrong hands or accidents are associated with their uses.
 
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The problem in America is citizens use guns to hunt other citizens. This makes our society less safe. Now America actually sacrifices lives of our citizens in our worship of guns. As a Christian, I am concerned with the unnecessary loss of lives.
The people that use guns to hunt other people ..... are not going to give up their guns through the implementation of gun control. They are also violent people.

They are also a very small percentage of those who possess guns.
 
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Do you think that Peter wouldn't have used his sword to protect them on the roads of their travels? I'm betting he was no slouch when it came to welding the thing.
 
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A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.

That's it.... that is my viewpoint
Well said.

Not only for recreation and hunting... but to ensure that a tyrannical and malevolent government does not go against the people and their freedoms.

When a group in power, aims to remove the abilities of those they govern to protect themselves... be very afraid.
 
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Self defense is not a sin. Machine guns are already illegal. Felons are not allowed to possess firearms but they do anyways.
Absolutely.
In Canada, if you are on any street and possess a handgun... you are already breaking at least 21 Federal laws. ....

Do they think one more law is going to change that?
 
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Well, there is this:

Genesis 9:3
English Standard Version​

3 Every moving thing that lives shall be food for you. And as I gave you the green plants, I give you everything.

The way I see it... if everything that lives is food... Can't see a more ethical method to kill a deer or moose or any wild animal other than the use of a gun.

I believe that the constitutional reference to gun ownership is the very necessary need to be able to resist any force that tries to take away the rights and freedoms of the people.

As I have said before... the government is weak on crime in order to increase violence in order to give cause to outlaw guns... in order to have a people that are defenseless.

Chip Roy nails it....Go to 1:30 of this video...


 
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There is nothing "well regulated" about what we are seeing in the United States today.
 
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This is a common argument... That not all guns are suitable for hunting.

Many look violent.. look menacing... look like "military" objects of violence.

Let's clear that up...

A gun is a tube.. a metal tube that has an ability to have a projectile forced down it with an explosive charge...

That's it.

You can paint it.
You can fancy it up with scopes and flashlights and straps and funky stocks and barrel paraphernalia...
You can make it look 100 % military..
You can also have a plain Jane, simple stock and barrel....

All are just as dangerous... Just as deadly... just as useful to do harm or protect someone.. or.... to hunt..

What a gun looks like.... is totally moot

People are taught and told and made to believe that all these guns are terrible.... they look mean.. or bad....

They are still just guns.

A semi automatic 308... is a semi automatic 308... no matter what or how dangerous it looks.

It can be used to target shoot, hunt, kill predators and protect livestock.. or protect yourself from criminals...

Never be intimidated by what a gun "looks" like..

That is a big diversion.
 
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There is absolutely nothing sinful about owning a gun... unless it is breaking a law of the area you are in.

There is nothing in scripture regarding the owning or not owning a gun.. .but.. there is scripture about adultery.... which is rampant.

Nobody is a bad person for owning a gun...

Anybody who commits any crime is a bad person.
 
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The Constitution is not gospel; it can be amended.
No it is not the gospel but it is the "law of the land" and yes it can be amended but why is it that many feel they can circumvent it?

More regulation will not fix the problem, criminals pay no attention to regulation. This debate is not about saving lives or any other feel good reason. The bottom line is some want to take all guns and prevent law abiding citizens from owning one. We have laws and regulations that are not enforced, if the powers that be were serious they would start with enforcing the exiting ones.

No law is going to prevent an evil person from doing evil. Guns do not kill people, people who pull the trigger kill people.
 
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There is nothing "well regulated" about what we are seeing in the United States today.
I agree... But.. more gun laws for law abiding people is not going to stop anything.

Tougher punishments on criminals is the answer.

But... both Canada and the US are doing the opposite... weak laws... weak punishement... letting guilty free and back on the streets..

Judges refused to stiffen punishements in Canada..

Repeat offenders are a gravy train for lawyers on both prosecution and defence sides...

In Canada 55% of the people poled.... favour the return of capitol punishement...

Increased gun crime is a perfect reason to increase restrictions and laws agains legal, safe, law abiding gun owners...

But.. will have no effect on gun crime and violence... which will lead to more laws... with no affect and more laws.. more laws... more laws... and the eventual confiscation of legal guns..

Leaving only the violent criminal irresponsible owners of guns..... with guns.

Good job..
 
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