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It seems that Father Josiah Trenham is both right and wrong on this point. Calvin apparently believed in Jesus' descent into Hades, but only in humiliation. Traditional Christians believe that the Lord descended into Hades in victorious glorification.Or perhaps they're in a Christian tradition that explicitly denies Jesus' descent into hell at all...like John Calvin".
Holy Saturday is also called Bright Saturday.That's certainly been my experience as a Protestant. I'd never heard of Holy Saturday before this vid. The Saturday between Good Friday and Easter Sunday just seemed to be simply a waiting day where nothing happend. I feel I have missed out a lot by not being taught properly about how Jesus saves us.
Holy Saturday is also called Bright Saturday
I took it more as a reference to CalvinISM than to Calvin. Maybe I misunderstood.It seems that Father Josiah Trenham is both right and wrong on this point. Calvin apparently believed in Jesus' descent into Hades, but only in humiliation. Traditional Christians believe that the Lord descended into Hades in victorious glorification.
It is possible to translate "rose again from the grave" but more accurately translated, the Creed says "rose again from the dead."I seem to remember one of the creeds saying, "... he rose from the grave..."
Before the Lord's resurrection, his body was in the tomb and his spirit in Paradise (after the harrowing of Hades).Which makes me wonder if it was a reference to "The Grave", as in the realm of the dead, Sheol, rather than an earthly grave. (hole in the ground)
The Greek word "anistemi" usually translated "rise" means to "stand up." as in the following verses:Besides, he was laid in an above ground tomb, not buried in the ground, a grave. From whence did our savior rise? (rise = somewhere below to somewhere above)
Before the Lord's resurrection, his body was in the tomb and his spirit in Paradise (after the harrowing of Hades).
In that case "rose from the dead" might be a reference to "the dead" as in the realm of the dead. Either way, seems a bit open ended.It is possible to translate "rose again from the grave" but more accurately translated, the Creed says "rose again from the dead."
Before the Lord's resurrection, his body was in the tomb and his spirit in Paradise (after the harrowing of Hades).
We have a 90 day guarantee offer at our church.I still can't believe I've never been taught this in any church I've ever been to, chiefly Anglican. I feel like asking for my money back under the Trades Description Act!
We have a 90 day guarantee offer at our church.
Try Jesus for 90 days.
If you aren't completely satisfied, you can have all your old sins back.
I am well aware of the Athanasian Creed. My current church recites it every week prior to the sermon, in Korean, while I recite it in English.Because you are a Baptist, you may not be familiar with the Apostolic Creed. This Creed is approved not only by Greek Orthodox but also Roman Catholics, Lutherans, and Anglicans. We frequently recite it in the Anglican Church. Only Credobaptists are not familiar with it. In part the Creed says:
And in Jesus Christ, his only Son, our Lord;
who was conceived by the Holy Ghost,
born of the Virgin Mary,
suffered under Pontius Pilate,
was crucified, dead, and buried.
He descended into hell.
The third day he rose again from the dead.
The Apostles’ Creed | Reformed Church in America
The belief in Obliterating Hell is a traditional Christian belief:
Harrowing of Hell - Wikipedia
Your source?MMXX said:Greek Orthodox barely acknowledge Revelation.
Members of the Orthodox Church. Here's something I happened to have read recently. Be sure to complain about him being anonymousYour source?
The Revelation was always a disputed book. It barely made it into the bible. Very little emphasis is placed on it in the Orthodox Church.
Members of the Orthodox Church. Here's something I happened to have read recently. Be sure to complain about him being anonymous
How convenient. Got any documentation? Unless I see some, meaningless internet gossip. But that seems to be routine for UR believers. My thoughts are that the other "sources" can't and don't supersede the EOB.Members of the Orthodox Church. Here's something I happened to have read recently. Be sure to complain about him being anonymous
You know they're not sola scriptura, and go by other sources like the Philokalia and Apocatastatic Hymnody etc, right?
Nice try but total rubbish. It is revelation from God and should be treated exactly as all other scripture.In any event, Revelation is prophectic and reads like a dream sequence, so the rest of scripture should not be interpreted in the light of this book, rather it should be the other way round.
How convenient. Got any documentation? Unless I see some, meaningless internet gossip. But that seems to be routine for UR believers. My thoughts are that the other "sources" can't and don't supersede the EOB.
In any event, Revelation is prophetic and reads like a dream sequence, so the rest of scripture should not be interpreted in the light of this book, rather it should be the other way round.
MMXX said:Bro, you arbitrarily reject everything you don't like. Do you really think I'm interested in what you personally accept? That's pretty much at the bottom of my list of priorities. And your thoughts are just that.
Ah yes the old "common basic knowledge" cop-out.MMXX said:What I've said about the Orthodox Church is common basic knowledge for anyone who's familiar with it. The only thing you seem to have to go by regarding a 2000 year old church is a 20 year old Bible.
You can't back up what you say and try to shift the blame to me. Got it. I rarely give my unsupported opinion. And I can and do provide documentation when requested. You should try that.
Ah yes the old "common basic knowledge" cop-out.
I have much more than a "20 year old bible" I have a Bible translated by native Greek speaking scholars whose church and language has continued unabated for 2000 years +/-.
If I want info about e.g. Israel who should I ask people who live in Israel or Palestinians?
You reject the EOB because it disproves UR-ism
and it is probably one of, if not, the most correct, reliable version currently available.
You really should check the appendices of the EOB you might learn something important.
I said I would as soon as you provided me that information about your favorite version. So get busy. Don't ask for something you are incapable of or unwilling to provide yourself. Shoot me a PM when you do that.* * *Since you don't know who translated the 2011 EOB, you're assuming it was translated by native Greek speaking scholars.
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If you followed your own advice, you'd know who translated it.
I said I would as soon as you provided me that information about your favorite version. So get busy. Don't ask for something you are incapable of or unwilling to provide yourself. Shoot me a PM when you do that.
ETA: I have a list let me know when you have yours. Speak now or forever hold your peace.
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