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Once I was flying from the west coast to Virginia, the man in the seat next to me was reading the Bible. I said, "Good book. I like how it ends." He smiled and nodded. He was not in uniform but I said "You are a military aviator." He looked at me strangely and said "Do I have a sign on my forehead or something." I said "No, the glasses and haircut." His glasses were issue aviator glasses. I know I had the same glasses. And he had the high and tight military haircut.
So what? I have read the end of the book.
I can't find one single verse which states or suggests there is opportunity for repentance and salvation after death. In fact, just the opposite.
Rev 21:1 And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.Vs. 4, no more death, all things new. but in vs. 8 eight groups are people are thrown into the LOF and it is still the second death.
Revelation 21:4-5
4 And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away.
5 And he that sat upon the throne said, Behold, I make all things new. And he said unto me, Write: for these words are true and faithful.
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Revelation 21:7-8
7 He that overcometh shall inherit all things; and I will be his God, and he shall be my son.
8 But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.
Revelation 22:10-11Instead of everybody being saved the unjust and the filthy are told to stay as they are.
10 And he saith unto me, Seal not the sayings of the prophecy of this book: for the time is at hand.
11 He that is unjust, let him be unjust still: and he which is filthy, let him be filthy still: and he that is righteous, let him be righteous still: and he that is holy, let him be holy still.
Revelation 22:15-16And there are still dogs, sorcerers, harlot mongers, murderers, idolaters, and liars outside New Jerusalem.
15 For without are dogs, and sorcerers, and whoremongers, and murderers, and idolaters, and whosoever loveth and maketh a lie.
16 I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches. I am the root and the offspring of David, and the bright and morning star.
Revelation 22:18-19And there are some being threatened with being taken out of the book of life.
18 For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book:
19 And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.
All those verses you are going to use to counter these. Why didn't John know about those verses.
So... never then?
Did you happen to learn all of this in an English class at college, Hmm? I'm just wondering.
Unlike a number of others, I don't think I need to repeat myself.
Do you guys think your UR position is the only one that argues with ECT on the meaning and application of aion/aionion/aionios? Do you think your UR position is the only one concerned about those who die without Christ or who have never officially heard about Jesus?
What I do know is that the last chapters of the Revelation are NOT the end of the story. For that, we need to go to First Corinthians 15, where the Son hands the Kingdom over to the Father, who then becomes All in all
Once I was flying from the west coast to Virginia, the man in the seat next to me was reading the Bible. I said, "Good book. I like how it ends." He smiled and nodded. He was not in uniform but I said "You are a military aviator." He looked at me strangely and said "Do I have a sign on my forehead or something." I said "No, the glasses and haircut." His glasses were issue aviator glasses.
These are a lot of words that do not answer my question. I thought my question was simple enough. Is there post-mortem corrective punishment?
No, but applying them to texts is.
It's based on nothing more than your own assumption being forced upon the text.
Uh huh. A strawman coupled with an ad hominem. I guess whatever we want the text to mean that's what it will mean, analysis is beyond the average person right?
Yes, I do.Do you think your UR position is the only one concerned about those who die without Christ or who have never officially heard about Jesus?
I only read the headlines. Who has time to read anymore? -- Hello?It's been proven that the Hell No! folks do not read posts and do not read the Bible.
Those who hold to ECT don't really believe in it. (at least based on their behavior)
When I was in Paris, I got an eye-full looking at that big tower. Not sure what they call it. I recommend checking it out though. It's hard to miss.I learnt it in French I think.
When I was in Paris, I got an eye-full looking at that big tower. Not sure what they call it. I recommend checking it out though. It's hard to miss.
I'm not sure what will take place on that day, but I imagine the majority mentioned above will be shocked to find out they are headed for the hot tub instead of straight to heaven. They may need more work than the pagans they snub.I suspect that's right. If you really believed in ECT and cared about people you would devote your life to trying to save them. The fact that hardly anyone does this is because either they don't believe it (the vast majority ) or don't care (the small minority)
I only read the headlines. Who has time to read anymore? -- Hello?
The book said Holy Bible on the outside. That's all I had time for. Based on what I read, it seemed important somehow.
Matthew 21:31 NIVI'm not sure what will take place on that day, but I imagine the majority mentioned above will be shocked to find out they are headed for the hot tub instead of straight to heaven. They may need more work than the pagans they snub.
Wow. And I thought they didn't understand what hell really is. I was so wrong. - lolThe Hell Yes folks read the entire Bible in the original Hebrew and Greek on a weekly basis.
Wow. And I thought they didn't understand what hell really is. I was so wrong. - lol
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