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Purgatory for all, not just the Catholics!
I do but not the jesus of UR-ites. I rejoice in the Jesus who said "Not everyone who says Lord, Lord to me will enter the kingdom of Heaven." Not the UR Jesus who will let people live like the devil, die in their sins and go to heaven anyway.
That's funny, because that's just how Richie figured it. Imagine how surprised he was to find the table had been turned.
I hope by now he's come to his senses, confessed his sins from the heart and called on Jesus.
So you declined fries with that salvation.
BUT...........The rich man was ALREADY in hell and as you can see, could not and did not change his location.
"What do we want? Expiatory purification! When do we want it? Later!"
Truth has no boundries!
Here's an OT example of that very thing, which you may have seen me post before. Notice the exaggerated language used matches the common descriptions of hell.In both occasions upon which sacred Hell Yes verses hang, are instances of fugitive exaggeration used to make a point. Like Jesus telling the Pharisees they swallow camels.
How about, "Love wins!"Perhaps we should develop some UR slogans, in a similar way to the old 'Always a son, always a Father'-style of popular apologetics.
I'm reading yet another post by a young Christian who's terrified they're not really saved and going to hell. I seem to see a lot of those. Many are terrified they committed the unpardonable sin over some trivial thing they did or thought.
"I'm terrified, I seriously really am. I've prayed thousands of times. I can't find peace, I am feeling so scared."
My, my...Truth has no boundries!
How about, "Love wins!"
Oh wait, that one's taken. (Rob Bell)
How about, "Love wins!"
Oh wait, that one's taken. (Rob Bell)
Wow. What is the source of that Latin phrase, or did you coin it? Sounds familiar somehow. Seems like part of Jewish theology, though the Latin is pointing elsewhere. - lolI always liked Exitus et Reditus. As all proceed from God so to Him shall all return.
I was remembering the "Got Milk?" ad slogan we have here to promote dairy products.The Bible already gives us the best UR slogans :
All die in Adam, all alive in Christ.
Every tongue, every knee.
Unto Him, all shall live.
Wow. What is the source of that Latin phrase, or did you coin it? Sounds familiar somehow. Seems like part of Jewish theology, though the Latin is pointing elsewhere. - lol
Tied to the pre-existence of souls? The idea that all souls pre-existed and when a person dies their soul returns to God who gave it? But that would mean a loss of the personal identity of each individual soul. Being reabsorbed into "the one great soul"? (or pool of souls)
I was remembering the "Got Milk?" ad slogan we have here to promote dairy products.
"Got Knees?"
The central issue here is the dispute isn't about the credibility of the expert, but the argument that the expert presented. I have explained why the argument presented is a bad argument, and pointed directly at the grammatical features that render it a bad argument. I am not basing this on any sort of authority on my part, but the basic grammar that has been discussed. To then make it about the fact that the argumeent was made by an "expert," regardless of whether that is true or not, is a patent fallacy. Expert testimony is only useful if it is used as support not as the argument itself. If the arguments themselves are not understood then the proper thing to do is not take a side, but to continue to stand on an argument that has been defeated because it was made by an "expert" simply because you do not have the understanding of what is at issue is nothing more than confirmation bias and shows that this is not about a search for truth but an attempt to confirm what is desired to be believed.When it comes to experts, one can verify their credibility.
Fair enough, but we can pretty well resolve the ambiguity in Greek through context. If it's "eternal" for eternal life, it's "eternal" for eternal punishment. And it really is that simple. To deny the eternality of the punishment is to deny the eternality of the life.Still I find myself wondering what actual word Jesus used that was rendered into "aionios" considering the word can have different meanings.
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