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Wow. What the Church won't do to retain subscribers. - lol
Believe or burn. (an offer you can't refuse, from a brand you trust)
Well, when the church went from being a church into being a government, they needed fear to keep the infidels in line. It's not like everyone was going to receive the Holy Spirit.Thank you, yes Jesus had already canned the 'eternal bbq pit' idea, but the Roman Catholics felt the show just couldn't go on without that prop, so they made it a 'spectacular'.
That seems like an overstatement to me. I think there are many non-Christians that give their time and resources to help those in need. Secular organizations that reach out. We all know what a "Care package" is. That's a secular group, as far as I know.The fact of the matter is that only Christians volunteer at the soup kitchen and give regularly to local church charities to help those in need. Mother Theresa was amazed to see that no one helped the "little people" in the streets of Calcutta. Can the non-Godly be motivated to help the "little people"? I doubt it.
Well, when the church went from being a church into being a government, they needed fear to keep the infidels in line. It's not like everyone was going to receive the Holy Spirit.
I guess it stopped being "the church" at that point though ...
Isaac had strange beliefs as the Church understood him for having strange positionsBeside the quotations that you and I have presented so far, there are many other passages in which Isaac of Nineveh expresses his belief in UR:
The Congress Catches Fire!
Wow, "jumped the shark"; that's a most curious phrase. Not familiar.
The fact of the matter is that only Christians volunteer at the soup kitchen and give regularly to local church charities to help those in need. Mother Theresa was amazed to see that no one helped the "little people" in the streets of Calcutta. Can the non-Godly be motivated to help the "little people"? I doubt it.
Perhaps the threat of ECT was a solution to people falling asleep during Latin Mass. Zzzz... A real wake up call. Listen up, or else.
Perhaps the threat of ECT was a solution to people falling asleep during Latin Mass. Zzzz... A real wake up call. Listen up, or else.
But the show really went downhill fast. - lol
Luther outlined the transgressions and nailed it. (literally)
Talk about a harsh review. Yikes! - lol
It is clear that evil people will go to eternal punishment. Now plz look at the meaning of eternal in post #1970.
How is death defeated when people are subjected to the 2nd death?
You seem to be a Calvinist and discussions with Calvinists are generally pointless. If you're interested in seeing why all Christianity rejects, except Calvinists, reject your point of view, you will find a lot of articles online explaining how the passages you quote should be interpreted. You can also read the following article:
Conditional preservation of the saints - Wikipedia
On one hand you're saying there's only going to be perpetual light in the city, but on the other hand you're saying the glory of God will light the world.
And again, as far as "forever and forever" goes, how can there be infinity plus infinity? If what's being said in Revelation supposed to be taken literally on a scientific type basis, things like there's no day and night, but they'll be tormented day and night doesn't really come together. Likewise that's true of infinity plus infinity. However, perhaps these things being said are actually figurative rather than literal. Symbolic rather than scientific.
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"With all due respect, why does anyone need to look up or find the meaning of "Eternal"????Here is a link to 2 back to back posts, this thread, where I show that the Greek word "aionios" is defined/described as "eternal,""everlasting,""for ever." etc.
You see, for the Universalism teaching to be acceptable....the meaning of words has to be changed.
I have heard many times about this “aeons after aeons” from those who reject eternal torments.
But just so that you know, having done a little work in the Greek over the years, The Greek word translated “eternal” is also translated “everlasting”. It appears a total of 71 times in the New Testament, both in reference to punishment for unbelievers and life for believers. It always means “without end, never to cease.”
Just as believers receive eternal (everlasting) life, unbelievers receive eternal (everlasting) torment. If you change the meaning for one group, you have to change it for the other as well, since the Bible uses same word in reference to both.
As for 1 Tim.4:10 which says .........
“God is the Savior of all men, and specially of them that believe,” it means the Lord’s death made salvation available for all men, but it doesn’t mean all men will be saved.
While salvation will be granted without prejudice to everyone who asks (Matt. 7:7-8) those who don’t ask for it will not receive it."
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In twenty four [24] of the verses, at this link, aion and aionios are defined/described as eternal, everlasting, eternity etc, by paralleling or juxtaposition with other adjectives or adjectival phrases.
“aionios” occurs 72x in the N.T.
“aionios” is translated world only 5 times in the N.T.
“aionios” is correctly translated eternal 42 times in the N.T.
“aionios” is correctly translated everlasting 25 times in the N.T.
Jesus used “aionios” twenty eight [28] times, Jesus never used “aionios” to refer something ordinary/mundane which was not/could not be “eternal.”
Total nonsense. Not only has my post not been refuted, not nobody, not no how has even tried to refute it. Since you make the claim perhaps you could point me to one post where someone has tried. I have been on this forum almost daily and I can't recall a single one. And I don't mean some misguided soul making the standard "Neener, neener, neener you're wrong, I'm right! Am too! Nuh huh!" argument.Well, this is clearly your favourite definition of aionios etc., which you copy and paste frequently. It's been refuted in this and other threads many times so I see little point in doing so again. But, honestly, I admire your tenacity.
Hey wait a minute amigo. You're supposed to show me where my "aionios" post has "been refuted in this and other threads many times." All I am asking for is one time.Okay, have a good evening DA
Well, this is clearly your favourite definition of aionios etc., which you copy and paste frequently. It's been refuted in this and other threads many times so I see little point in doing so again. But, honestly, I admire your tenacity
Hey wait a minute amigo. You're supposed to show me where my "aionios" post has "been refuted in this and other threads many times." All I am asking for is one time.
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