Can somebody provide a verse of the Bible (OT or NT) saying that christians tithe is a biblical doctrine, suported by scripture?
I can not found not even one.
I can not found not even one.
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Jesus says that the greatest commandment is love. Can you say you love something when we are filthy rich and over a billion people are starving? How can we justify spending more money on ourselves instead of giving to the church to do good in the world? That is pure evil. How can we say we love the world when we can't even give a small portion of our income to the church to help the world?
Really when people ask for scriptural evidence not to tithe they are looking for a way out of giving their money. I pray this is not you. Where we put are money shows a lot about our heart. And if we can't even give a 10 percent tithe... Man we need to seriously check our hearts, that shows that they are so far from Jesus' heart.
Also it does say to tithe in the Mosaic law. Which you are right it saying we are not held accountable to it anymore. However I don't think it means we shouldn't let it guide us. The law is fulfilled not abolished. There are good principles to follow in them. We shouldn't go around saying that it "doesn't apply to us anymore."
Really when people ask for scriptural evidence not to tithe they are looking for a way out of giving their money. I pray this is not you. Where we put are money shows a lot about our heart. And if we can't even give a 10 percent tithe... Man we need to seriously check our hearts, that shows that they are so far from Jesus' heart.
Also it does say to tithe in the Mosaic law. Which you are right it saying we are not held accountable to it anymore. However I don't think it means we shouldn't let it guide us. The law is fulfilled not abolished. There are good principles to follow in them. We shouldn't go around saying that it "doesn't apply to us anymore."
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Beside all that human thinking and communist ideology, the point is that there is not any biblical support for christian tithe. Because in christian tithe all poor people is to tithe not only the rich. And christian tithe do<not goes to the poor but to the church finances.
Thye point is not to look for an excuse fro avoid tithing; the true is that simpli there is not even a single verse that support christian tithe, and are the pastor who search for all kind of ezxcuses in order to get more money.
Do you see the Law as something good to follow? there is more than 600 laws...how many of them you claim the christians have to follow? Probably you are only interested on tithe when you proclaim the Law. That is hypocresy.
Not only that. Paul warned us from following the Law. And the Holy Spirit did command to all pastors NOT to impose any law of the Law...ANY.
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Actually the tithe is mentioned in the NT. Have a look at matt 23:23 and Luke 11:42.
There are 613 'laws' actually - most of which cannot be followed as they refer to temple worship and as there is no temple ....
I had not thought the tithe as something I would have necessarily connected with communist ideology.
I think the message from Jesus is that you do what you can. I am sure God does not mind you giving to the local soup kitchen instead of the local church.
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The tithe is a law directly refered to the temple; it is for supporting the service inught It cannot be followed
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The tithe has nothing bto do with the commnist, and I dont understand why you make that connection. Taken from the rich and give to the poor is communhist and is noit at all the purpose of the tithe.
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What you think are human thinking. There is not even a single verse in the entire Bible that teaches the christians to tithe; and you only have human words, reasoning and thinking to defend that false doctrine.
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The reason you can't find any scripture to support tithing is because there are none supporting tithes for today's believers.
The Levites were the only Israelties not to be given land to work, farming, hunting etc. The Levittes job was to do the priestly duties.
The tithe was for these Levittes and nobody else.
Nobody today knows who are real Levitte is/was.
When the temple was destroyed so were the records of such people.
Paul took up funds to help the needy but no tithes.
Home churches need no tithes.
Facts:
Only those who raised crops or foods to eat that were not perishable in the storeroom were expected to tithe.
Only a descendant of Aaron(Levittes) was allowed to take up the tithe and place it in the storeroom.
A fisherman was never expected to tithe because Fish would not keep in the storeroom.
A carpenter was never ever expected to tithe.
A priest was never expected to tithe.
Every seventh year there were no tithes collected.
If you wanted to pay with currency and you were expected to tithe then you must pay a penalty because they did not want money.
Anyone know of any church that teaches these things?
The modern churches would fall to the ground without the tithes lie.
Home churches don't need tithes and the early churches didn't teach on the tithe.
Anyone that still promotes tithing as a biblical law or for today's Christians has no business teaching anything to anybody.
The Levites were the only Israelties not to be given land to work, farming, hunting etc. The Levittes job was to do the priestly duties.
The tithe was for these Levittes and nobody else.
Nobody today knows who are real Levitte is/was.
When the temple was destroyed so were the records of such people.
Paul took up funds to help the needy but no tithes.
Home churches need no tithes.
Facts:
Only those who raised crops or foods to eat that were not perishable in the storeroom were expected to tithe.
Only a descendant of Aaron(Levittes) was allowed to take up the tithe and place it in the storeroom.
A fisherman was never expected to tithe because Fish would not keep in the storeroom.
A carpenter was never ever expected to tithe.
A priest was never expected to tithe.
Every seventh year there were no tithes collected.
If you wanted to pay with currency and you were expected to tithe then you must pay a penalty because they did not want money.
Anyone know of any church that teaches these things?
The modern churches would fall to the ground without the tithes lie.
Home churches don't need tithes and the early churches didn't teach on the tithe.
Anyone that still promotes tithing as a biblical law or for today's Christians has no business teaching anything to anybody.
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Do not claim that what I am saying is hypocrisy! I understand that there is no verse that is explicit about the tithe. I'm just saying it is still a good disciple for Christians. Also biblically speaking the poor were not supposed to tithe, which I think should be held true today (Although I know it isn't at all).
Also check your context what Paul is saying is not to be legalistic about the law. Causing people to turn away from Christ. I never said we should follow, do not put words in my mouth! That is not in anyway what I am saying! I'm saying that the Law still has some good principles in it! Which even you couldn't deny! Not that we should hold people to it, of course not! But that doesn't mean we should forget it completely either.
Don't accuse me, I'm not trying to be legalistic or anything. It's just the fact that the western church really does not tithe is ridiculous. We are all filthy rich compared to the rest of the world! I think we all should check our hearts when we have so much money and we can't even tithe. That's all I'm saying. Don't accuse of saying stuff I'm clearly not saying!!!
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I agree that the tiithe in the Bible - Moses tithe wich is the only tothe in the entire Bible - was paid by the land owners. We can presume that land owner were not poor. But that is a presumption and probably is not correct. Any way, present christian tithe is over the income of everybody, not only over the rich christians. And again, that concept that rich has to suport poor is not in the Bible but in the communist doctrine.
The question is: why the christians tithe? The only answer is: because Moses commanded. If we obey and obser Moses Law, we are legalistics.
If you think you are not legalistic by observing Moses tithe law; then you have to recomend to christians land owners to tithe, and recomend all other christians not to tithe.
Even in the extreme that you dont want to tithe as moses teaches, then you make tithe every christian...the question is: based on what text? Is it biblicaly correct? Has any biblical support? Is it a christian doctrine?
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Christian shall not eat blood. I know many christians that eat blood (there is a sausage made of coagulated blood, it is not just containing blood but it is pure blood) and try to found some excuses for doing so. That is not the bcase of tithe. As christians I dont see any verse in the entire Bible saying that I have to tithe to the church. I dont need to made a personal doctrine to avoid tithe...tithe is not part of biblical doctrine. It is people as you that make a personal doctrine and desieve other christians in orther to get theyrs money.
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In all the Bible, from cover to cover, there is not a single verse saying that any person of any nationality, of any time, have to give to God or the priest or the church the 10% or any other % of the personal income.
Christian tithe was never commanded, teched or practiced by nobody in all the Bible.
Christian tithe was never commanded, teched or practiced by nobody in all the Bible.
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I'm outta this thread... This guy just smokes crack for a living and doesn't listen to what other people say. I don't have debates with people that take what I say extremely far out of context...
Good luck brother... I hope you figure out whatever point your trying to make.
Good luck brother... I hope you figure out whatever point your trying to make.
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yeah. that is the best argument all tithe defenders always have, to insult and descredit who is agaist tithe. you know...if some body can post at least one verse saying that christians have to tithe...only one...it will be enough for me to quit thisd thread. But that is impossible for those greed pastors and denominations that teach the false doctrine of the tithe.
verbal violence, insulting, and descredit....that is the answer
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why ask for something you do not acknowledge the authority of. If someone cites a verse from the Torah, it is discounted as something we are not under. With the mind-set, you may as well rip any NT passages from the bible which use the authority of the Torah as their basis. You'll find their is not much left.
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Very true, Goinheix, however, our obligation to God goes far beyond the tithe. Read of Paul's thankfulness to those who supported him and others while on their missionary journeys and how he felt about preachers being supported.
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