I got a question if god made all people on earth why did he come for jews first also in matthew 15 why did god ignore the cannanite woman when she asks for healing. This really troubles me as im not a jew and he refered to the cannanite woman as a dog and the israelites as children
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Abraham made a covenant with God. The Jews were descendants of Abraham.
No one else was willing to do this.
Jesus did not deny the Samaritan woman at the well. He granted her wish. The Jew's prevailing attitude toward gentiles were reflected in Jesus' reference to her as a dog. It was a test of the woman's perserverence.
No one else was willing to do this.
Jesus did not deny the Samaritan woman at the well. He granted her wish. The Jew's prevailing attitude toward gentiles were reflected in Jesus' reference to her as a dog. It was a test of the woman's perserverence.
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Thqts what I heard but since god created us and jesus is his son wouldnt he have different views than other jews wouldnt he want everyone in the world jewish or not to be saved I know he granted her request but she begged for it while others he gave without requiring her to beg.
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God chose the Jews to be his vehicle for the salvation of the whole world. At that point in the story the whole of history is imploding in on the focal point that its been building towards since Abraham. It's not the moment for Jesus to become medicine San frontier. That will happen after the resurrection when he sends his disciples to Judea, Samaria and the ends of the earth.
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I will quibble with your last sentence (only that one--I agree with rest).
Jesus--who knew everyone's thoughts and hearts--did not have to test her perseverance. He already knew her faith.
I believe He was using a rhetorical technique to prove a point to the Jews around Him. You're right about their prevailing attitude. As He spoke about Canaanites and dogs, no doubt the Jews around Him were nodding in agreement.
But it's important to understand that Jesus did not change His mind, and He did not even change His point.
But Paul got the point. It's the same point Paul spends half of Romans talking about:
God's promise is for the children of Abraham, and by faith the Canaanite woman became a child of Abraham.
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Mat 15:25-28 KJV Then came she and worshipped him, saying, Lord, help me. But he answered and said, It is not meet to take the children's bread, and to cast it to dogs. And she said, Truth, Lord: yet the dogs eat of the crumbs which fall from their masters' table. Then Jesus answered and said unto her, O woman, great is thy faith: be it unto thee even as thou wilt. And her daughter was made whole from that very hour.
You said Jesus Christ ignored her. This does not look like He ignored her. Jesus died for your healing. It’s a blood bought right and so you need not worry today.
Gal 3:28-29 NASB There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free man, there is neither male nor female; for you are all one in Christ Jesus. And if you belong to Christ, then you are Abraham's descendants, heirs according to promise.
You said Jesus Christ ignored her. This does not look like He ignored her. Jesus died for your healing. It’s a blood bought right and so you need not worry today.
Gal 3:28-29 NASB There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free man, there is neither male nor female; for you are all one in Christ Jesus. And if you belong to Christ, then you are Abraham's descendants, heirs according to promise.
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Would you rather be called a worm than a dog?
Isaiah 41:14- "Fear not, thou worm Jacob, and ye men of Israel; I will help thee, saith the LORD, and thy redeemer, the Holy One of Israel."
To God, we're all dogs... and worse, unless you think maggots are better than dogs. But let's not get legalistic on all this. We are worth more than many sparrows, according to Jesus. But there's a lesson to be learned- HUMILITY. Jesus said in Mark 10:15- "Verily I say unto you, Whosoever shall not receive the kingdom of God as a little child, he shall not enter therein."
It also proved that gentiles always had a way to reach God if they so chose to follow. Even during the days of Moses, all manner of people were allowed in the tabernacle. Only the priests were allowed in the Holy Place, and the high priest in the Holy of Holies once a year.
Read Isaiah 45 how God anointed King Cyrus of Persia to do His will.
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Martin Luther commented:
Christ in this story behaves the way the heart feels, for it thinks the answer is "no", when in reality it is not. Therefore the heart must turn away from its feeling and lay hold of the deep, secret "yes" under the "no" with firm faith in God's Word, as did this woman.
(quoted from The Book of Jesus, ed. Calvin Miller)
Christ in this story behaves the way the heart feels, for it thinks the answer is "no", when in reality it is not. Therefore the heart must turn away from its feeling and lay hold of the deep, secret "yes" under the "no" with firm faith in God's Word, as did this woman.
(quoted from The Book of Jesus, ed. Calvin Miller)
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The covenant arrangement made with Israel at Horeb had to be fulfilled first and the prophecies which would prove Israel as a nation would ultimately reject God's offer of salvation (Jesus death, burial, and resurrection). Once Jesus was slain and was resurrected God could now offer this blessing to the world without the law (the law was just a schoolmaster to bring us to the knowledge that we were sinners in need of a Savior).
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Now there were some Greeks among those who were going up to worship at the feast; these then came to Philip, who was from Bethsaida of Galilee, and began to ask him, saying, Sir, we wish to see Jesus.
Philip came and told Andrew; Andrew and Philip came and told Jesus.
And Jesus answered them, saying, The hour has come for the Son of Man to be glorified. Truly, truly, I say to you, unless a grain of wheat falls into the earth and dies, it remains alone; but if it dies, it bears much fruit."
This is a very interesing passage from John 20. In the Greek, the "Greeks" spoken of here are ethnic Greeks, not Hellenist Jews. It's not by accident that they approach Philip, because Philip is the disciple with the Greek name--they probably thought he'd be more sympathetic to their requrest.
These ethnic Greeks may be God-fearers, but they are not proselytes and they are definitely not of the Abrahamic lineage.
Jesus' response to that specific event is as though triggered by it. This is an expected sign to Jesus: These Greeks represent "the world," and there are those in "the world" who yearn for Jesus.
He directly indicates that except by dying, He can't go farther than the children of Israel.
Why is this? I think you're right--
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Let me focus of the gospel account for I think this is more crucial to understand.
O my friend please read the entire account. Our Good Lord didn't ignore her at all. But quite the opposite, He blessed her, He healed her daughter. And not just when He got to it, but INSTANTLY! Why? because of the FAITH she showed(v.28). Faith is what accounts for a persons right standing with God.
Now, why did He call her dog. Let's clarify the context. "And he answered, It is not right to take the childrens bread and throw it to the dogs." Who are the children? the jews/ Israel. Why? because Christ clarifies in the gospels that HIS ministry was to be to the Jews while on earth. Why? b/c of prophecy promised. So, if we understand who His ministry on earth was to be towards, Christ then showed EXTREME mercy and grace by giving His love, attention and energy to this canaanite woman.
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I think Paul gets it more directly in Romans. Jesus responded to the Canaanite woman's plea because her faith made her a child of Abraham. Paul had to think it through, and he gives us the benefit of his thoughts in Romans, but that's the conclusion of it.
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