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Why are Pro abortion rights Christians ignoring the settled science of embryology?
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Why are Pro abortion rights Christians ignoring the settled science of embryology?Discussing any scientific subject with a person who uses religion as the cornerstone and bedrock of their argument is unfruitful.
No one wants to abort PP. They want to stop abortions. The positive aspects of PP are not in question.Hey. I don't want to hijack this thread too much but I'm really curious:
PP spends 800% more on pregnancy prevention than on abortion. That is a lot of percents.
So, if these states are serious about stopping unwanted pregnancies, how do they plan to disburse these funds that, like it or not, society benefited from? It would be bad, bad trouble if that money simply evaporates or goes to corporate subsidies.
Again.............No one wants to abort PP. They want to stop abortions. The positive aspects of PP are not in question.You are missing my point: Like it or not, PP is providing a LOT of nonabortion related procedures, including some that prevent pregnancy.
How are these services going to be provided if not through PP?
Or is cancer screening and free birth control simply NOT important to people trying to get rid of PP.
Again Again.........No one wants to abort PP. They want to stop abortions. The positive aspects of PP are not in question.I read this:1 divided by 4 is 0.25 which equals 25%. That is 100% correct. The moral outrage for 25% of the services rendered may be 100%, but that doesn't mean butkiss.
And I think, yes. That makes sense. Every time you come into their office and obtain services, that is a clinical interaction. If that happens 4 times, that makes sense.
There should be nothing disigenuous about that at all. If I go to a restaurant several times over a year and I buy fries, onion rings, a meal deal, and a meal for my family, all on seperate visits, I have received food/service from them on 4 occasions and those are 4 distinct services
The cost of a service is not relevant when discussing services provided. Consider this: That free given away condom could have prevented a single unwanted pregnancy (and then, possibly, an abortion). Or perhaps prevents an sti.... Saving the medical system several hundred bucks..
Lastly, I would posit that the reason PP abortions have gone up is thanks, in large part, to the FANTASTIC advertising campaign put on by the Republicans that are making many Americans aware of the services provided by PP. It's not that PP is going out of their way to provide more of them, Republicans just keep being responsible leaders and pointing people in the direction of the services they offer. What is a bit of a tragedy is that Republicans aren't talking about cancer screenings, available at PP. Too bad. They could really be helping people out.
Again Again.........No one wants to abort PP. They want to stop abortions. The positive aspects of PP are not in question.
.....What's worse than a Christian preaching to other Christians about ego and delicate sensibilities? Christians who don't see or refuse to see elective abortions for what they are...killing another human life.
How so?
There should be nothing disigenuous about that at all. If I go to a restaurant several times over a year and I buy fries, onion rings, a meal deal, and a meal for my family, all on seperate visits, I have received food/service from them on 4 occasions and those are 4 distinct services
#1) When is a life a life?
There are many of us who just don't believe life begins at conception. Me personally, unless you have a fully formed brain and internal organs and could theoretically survive outside the womb I just don't consider you a full human being.
#2) Life and Rights of the mother.
THere are many of us who believe that the fetus is an extension of the mother, for all practical purposes the mother can do whatever she wants with her body.
#3) We live in a Secular Society
You can't mandate your religious beliefs onto others just because you believe you know better. There are plenty of people who don't view life as sacrosanct. Truth is, people die by the millions everyday.
#4) Is life really that precious?
Why is it that pro-life people will bend over backwards to protect a fetus but the instant it is out of the womb then they just don't care anymore? Need help for food, shelter, clothing??? No. Blame the mother and if she can't provide then too bad so sad not our problem anymore...
I don't judge, it is between the woman and god and they will sort it out.
Prove what you think of a baby qualifies as "a baby". While you're at it, look up the definition of murder.Actually, it is all about killing babies.
1. Opinions don't make a baby less alive. It just shows we have the irrational ability to rationalize murder.
2. Again, opinions don't change science. The baby is a separate entity from conception. Rationalizing again.
3. Murder is more than a religious belief, but is one of the oldest laws, and is common to every culture. There are people without conscience. That makes murder no less despicable.
4. Not relevant to the argument, but wrong anyway. Makes a nice sounding emotional accusation though, doesn't it?
Maybe we shouldn't judge anyone. Let them rape, steal, loot and kill to their hearts' content.
You've set God aside in your arguments, so why bring him in here?
Abortion is a more complicated problem then the simplistic view that it is all about baby killing.
#1) When is a life a life?
There are many of us who just don't believe life begins at conception. Me personally, unless you have a fully formed brain and internal organs and could theoretically survive outside the womb I just don't consider you a full human being.
#2) Life and Rights of the mother.
THere are many of us who believe that the fetus is an extension of the mother, for all practical purposes the mother can do whatever she wants with her body.
#3) We live in a Secular Society
You can't mandate your religious beliefs onto others just because you believe you know better. There are plenty of people who don't view life as sacrosanct. Truth is, people die by the millions everyday.
#4) Is life really that precious?
Why is it that pro-life people will bend over backwards to protect a fetus but the instant it is out of the womb then they just don't care anymore? Need help for food, shelter, clothing??? No. Blame the mother and if she can't provide then too bad so sad not our problem anymore...
anyways, not to rehash the abortion debate, we could literally argue for centuries and just not get a meeting of the minds on this issue.
I don't judge, it is between the woman and god and they will sort it out.
Come up with a working, meaningful and consistent definition of "human being", and lets talk.There is no meeting of minds - no place of compromise - when the issue is whether one person has the moral right ever to murder an innocent, vulnerable, helpless human being.
We are seeing an ever-advancing battle (an on-going war, actually) between the culture of life, and the culture of death:
This used to be "common sense" before men got too smart for their own good. Now, in the "post-Christian West", Ph.D.'s argue there is no such thing as a Natural Moral Law inscribed in human conscience, in the "human dna," that just knows it is wrong to kill the innocent, to steal from your neighbor, to lie, to cheat, to take advantage of the simple and trusting to use them like they were nothing. Now, Ph.D.'s argue that there is no such thing as a "human nature" - no, we are "evolving" always, our "human nature" is what we make it today. We "decide" what and who we are. We "decide" what is right and what is wrong. We are (shall I say it) gods.
- The "law" of the culture of death has always been the same: "might makes right." If we are stronger and more powerful, we can make the law what we choose, and when it is "legal" and we've got the Army, we've won. Examples: Stalinist "Communist" Russia, Nazi Germany, Maoist China, Islamist ISIS, and if "progressivism" wins out in America, the whole West may fall.
- The law of the culture of life is written upon the hearts of the righteous and even many among thieves and robbers! - they know in their hearts, whether they know of Christian virtue or not; whether they know of the God of Abraham or not, whether they go to church on Sundays or not: some things are wrong! It is common sense! To do such a thing is inhuman - it is evil - it is just not right.
Such faux "enlightenment" is cultural suicide, and personal insanity. It is men in flight from reality, running from truth, blinded by lust, by ambition, and by pride. It is, in a word, death. And thus the Culture of Death brings forth its dead.
Because, and this is important, they will get abortions somewhere else. Believe it or not almost EVERYONE is in it to lower rates, some people just also want to keep women safe at the same time. Some don't care about that enoughIf they are in it to lower the abortion rate, why don't they stop performing abortions?
But not really. Is it a consistent occurence for you to go to McDonald and not order food?It's more like going in for a meal and having them mark the catsup packets, S&P, straw, napkins and packaging as different services on the same visit.
Maybe we shouldn't judge Anyone? This sounds like you are being facetious. (John 8:7). But you're right. We are just supposed to love them.Actually, it is all about killing babies.
1. Opinions don't make a baby less alive. It just shows we have the irrational ability to rationalize murder.
2. Again, opinions don't change science. The baby is a separate entity from conception. Rationalizing again.
3. Murder is more than a religious belief, but is one of the oldest laws, and is common to every culture. There are people without conscience. That makes murder no less despicable.
4. Not relevant to the argument, but wrong anyway. Makes a nice sounding emotional accusation though, doesn't it?
Maybe we shouldn't judge anyone. Let them rape, steal, loot and kill to their hearts' content.
You've set God aside in your arguments, so why bring him in here?
Come up with a working, meaningful and consistent definition of "human being", and lets talk.
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