rmwilliamsll
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i'd be curious as to references for this. I did a study on the temperance movement and never saw a hint of this claim.
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have learned that, in fact, it was the Unitarians who actually began the temperance movement in the 1800's.
Elderone said:The following was posted by Cajin Huguenot a few months back. It is a letter from a Baptist minister to his friend, another Baptist minister, concerning the drinking of alcohol. It is L O N G but explains more clearly than I would be able on this subject.
Behe's Boy said:I voted for number two - though I rarely drink alcohol - mainly because it give me a headache. I had a Rolling Rock last night at a Christmas Party which was the first time I've had a beer in over a year. I woke up with no headache - yay! As to communion - I personally wish churches (mine included) would use real wine....
CalvinWasRight said:I voted no only because neither of the other two options fit my opinion. My wife and I have been struggling with this very question for years. The bible doesn't speak against drinking, but getting drunk. However, Paul says in Romans 14:21, "It is good not to eat meat or drink wine or do anything that causes your brother to stumble." [Emphasis added by me.] Our decision? Our alcohol consumption is limited to when we are at home and we do not keep any around the house ... ever. It's not a perfect answer, but the best we could come up with for now.
I am currently attending a PCA church and we use real wine for communion. Underage Christians (such as my self) still take communion. They used to offer both wine and grape juice, but after a few meetings between the elders, it was decided simply to go with the way the Bible did it. I know that I will drink on a semi-regular basis when i'm of age. Luther's wife, after all, brewed beer for him and his buddies. Diffiantly dont get drunk though.Cajun Huguenot said:I have just one question. Do you eat meat outside the home?
Paul did say "It is good not to eat meat or drink wine..." There are a growing number of veggie Christians these days.
I recommend you read a letter from a preacher friend of mine. I posted it here: Alcohol and Bible -- letter
I also recommend two books: God Gave Wine and Drinking with Calvin and Luther.
In Christ,
Kenith
SoliDeoGloria4708 said:I am currently attending a PCA church and we use real wine for communion. Underage Christians (such as my self) still take communion. They used to offer both wine and grape juice, but after a few meetings between the elders, it was decided simply to go with the way the Bible did it.
I know that I will drink on a semi-regular basis when i'm of age. Luther's wife, after all, brewed beer for him and his buddies. Diffiantly dont get drunk though.
Well, although I am attending a PCA churcc, I would probably consider myself a Reformed Baptist. I diffiantly understand the frustration of legalistic judgments made by the SBC. Although I am reformed now, I was raised in a SBC church. My dad is actually a retired SBC pastor. He isn't hostile towards reformed doctrine though. Thats good.strengthinweakness said:I echo your post, Behe's Boy. I am a Reformed Baptist, and it really bothers me that so many Baptists (at least in the SBC) take such a strong-- and not Biblically warranted-- stance that it is not allowable for Christians to drink alcohol at all. With that said though, I rarely do drink alcohol. I don't like how it usually makes me feel-- less clear in thought, less in control of my thoughts, words, and actions. Like you, it also gives me a headache at times. I also agree with you about wine for communion. My church does not take a stance on the moderate drinking of alcohol, but we also don't use wine for communion. I don't understand it, as using wine for communion is clearly prescribed in the Bible.
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