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<blockquote data-quote="technofox" data-source="post: 60356460" data-attributes="member: 192118"><p>I see where you are coming from by implying that I can't prove or disprove a negative. Good one ;-)</p><p></p><p>As for the rationale to suspend my belief, it just takes evidence to see the big picture. I would literally have to see the evidence that can show the creation of the universe to its end and rebirth as a sustainable process that does not require the constant of a supernatual being. Basically the moment we can show that the universe can be created, end, and be recreated in an infinite loop without end, without the chicken or the egg scenario; only then would I be able to dismiss the notion of the possibility of God existing, since that would explain the beginnig, the end, and the rebirth of a constant which would be the universe itself.</p><p></p><p>Basically with a finite universe, we need a constant to make it exist. Assuming that the universe itself is the constant, which science has not determined yet and evidence supports that the universe is finite (e.g. open universe = no collapsing into itself to form another big bang, let alone how hawking radition may affect the closed universe theories), then and only then can we begin to dismiss the possibility of a diety existing. To me the lack of an infinite universe life cycle is the missing piece to the puzzle of a universe as a whole. </p><p></p><p>Once that is solved, it then leads to the chicken and the egg problem (paradox loop), was there a first universe? Can the universe be perpetual and self existing without God?</p><p></p><p>The caveat of the perpetual universe is that it may bring to question God's existance; however, all it really does is bring into question are all religions wrong? </p><p></p><p>So in a sense, the perpetual universe will likely end the long standing debates of which religion is the right religion. Since just about all religions would be proven wrong by such a discovery, this would leave us with only the last question: does or did God exist? </p><p></p><p>That in of itself will likely never be answered until we can separate ourselves from time and see the whole picture, even if it is recursively (e.g. the universe just repeats itself and you and I will be having the same discussion again in another universe). Even then or only the will it be possible to prove that God doesn't exist to a major portion of the population (there will always be those who will believe no matter what).</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="technofox, post: 60356460, member: 192118"] I see where you are coming from by implying that I can't prove or disprove a negative. Good one ;-) As for the rationale to suspend my belief, it just takes evidence to see the big picture. I would literally have to see the evidence that can show the creation of the universe to its end and rebirth as a sustainable process that does not require the constant of a supernatual being. Basically the moment we can show that the universe can be created, end, and be recreated in an infinite loop without end, without the chicken or the egg scenario; only then would I be able to dismiss the notion of the possibility of God existing, since that would explain the beginnig, the end, and the rebirth of a constant which would be the universe itself. Basically with a finite universe, we need a constant to make it exist. Assuming that the universe itself is the constant, which science has not determined yet and evidence supports that the universe is finite (e.g. open universe = no collapsing into itself to form another big bang, let alone how hawking radition may affect the closed universe theories), then and only then can we begin to dismiss the possibility of a diety existing. To me the lack of an infinite universe life cycle is the missing piece to the puzzle of a universe as a whole. Once that is solved, it then leads to the chicken and the egg problem (paradox loop), was there a first universe? Can the universe be perpetual and self existing without God? The caveat of the perpetual universe is that it may bring to question God's existance; however, all it really does is bring into question are all religions wrong? So in a sense, the perpetual universe will likely end the long standing debates of which religion is the right religion. Since just about all religions would be proven wrong by such a discovery, this would leave us with only the last question: does or did God exist? That in of itself will likely never be answered until we can separate ourselves from time and see the whole picture, even if it is recursively (e.g. the universe just repeats itself and you and I will be having the same discussion again in another universe). Even then or only the will it be possible to prove that God doesn't exist to a major portion of the population (there will always be those who will believe no matter what). [/QUOTE]
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